Honestly, I think you need to take your blinders off, I didn’t even quote all of the good and evil are human concept posts. I figured you could be a big boy and search those, since I’m giving you more than a good enough head start for taking those blinders off and reading the rest of the story, instead of only the side that offends you and your buddy.
I couldn’t agree more strongly on this point. Glasya-Labolas is an extremely intense spirit that genuinely fits the title of being a demon, in that he is one of deep darkness. But I will echo that this does not mean he’s malicious to the Sorcerer - far from it! He does seem to enjoy harming or killing the enemies of the Sorcerer when requested, though.
It must be made clear that Legba as Ghede can be malicious, and often ignores social restrictions and their deceptive forms, often malicious, know no bounds, this goes for the living, the dead, the divine and the demonic. I
Energy from attention, amusement, misplaced desire to help the magician’s well being. There are a lot of reasons for manipulation, and they are not always malicious in intent.
Spirits are expert manipulators, ref: the 3,689,325 posts about them manipulating bosses, cops, exes, etc.
If you want to have a good working relationship with her, imop you would flat out tell her and lay out the rules, and make it clear that you are the operator and not a toy.
Otherwise you are setting the standard that she can play with you underhandedly and you will allow it, or at the least not stand for yourself and your beliefs.
It does not benefit you in anyway, to let entities walk all over you and sets a bad precedent for the future.
They will respect you more, if you respect yourself enough to stand up for what you truly believe in. I’m not saying be disrespectful, but lay it out like it is- clearly.
Some spirits will walk all over you, just like some people will, if you let them.
It happens. I have had spirits get overly excited with help in my magic and try to convince me to go to an extreme with something I was working on that I was not comfortable doing (an example would be a generational curse). At that point, you need to draw that line hard.
All spirits, and people, manipulate. It is part of how we socialize.
Or refuse to work with her, I’ve had bad experiences before (not with Lilith) and they majorly crossed lines and laughed about it. So I won’t work with them, not all of them are friendly with people, not all of them have your best interest, some just view you as an energy source or worse.
Some pretend to be friendly to manipulate you later, others have an agenda that isn’t in your best interest, some just don’t like people.
I’ve heard of Lilith just using people for energy before in discarded them when they served their purpose.
Parasites reside everywhere, astral, etheric, etc parasites are both legitimate beings and thoughtforms of the astral. “higher” and “lower” astral just means the density is slightly different from one another nothing really beyond that, especially when it comes to parasites.
Dude, no demon or angel is a “good guy.”
Both the New Agers with angels, and the demonolators with demons, like to proclaim that neither will ever hurt you but every spirit has an agenda, and they will fuck you up if it fits that agenda. There are plenty of people, some even on this forum, who have had their lives destroyed by the most popular demons, and others who have been stalked and harassed by angels.
You have to understand that the very demons you call on to strike down your enemies, or to dominate the will of your boss, are fully capable of doing the same thing to you if they want to.
Demons are not fluffy pink bunnies and it is silly to think they are.
Well, that isn’t true at all. Just ask the people who have been harassed by angels. They don’t need your permission to fuck with you. If they wanted to purge your “dark energy,” they would. It’s as simple as that.
No type of spirit is good or bad just because of what type of spirit it is classified as/what it’s race is. Same as people, dogs etc. There are bad people/psychopaths and murders in every race, there are kind loving people in every race, there are good dogs in every breed, and there are dogs that will bite a kid that looked at them wrong, in every race.
Spirits are the same way, and not everyone one likes every person, not every spirit likes every person either.
Spirits also don’t subscribe to the human morals and ethics.
Andras isn’t as much a killer as much he causes chaos and disaster, but there’s a strong chance he will also bring some of that to you, even if you ask him not to… it’s his thing. He’s fine if you don’t mind weathering some very shitty luck, like, minor car accidents type of bad luck. If there’s a chance you could be in the car when it crashes, or the house when it’s burning, don’t ask Andras.
It astonishes me this forum has an active baneful magick section, yet simultaneously, so many newer people almost calling blasphemy if someone suggests demons can and will do baneful actions against humans.
Any spirit (god, demon, angel, whatever) can attack and be nasty, for whatever reason. It is foolish to believe all will be nice to oneself (for example, Alastor is not exactly known for being kind whether you are looking at his Christian or Greek lore). Whatever a spirit can be called upon for can easily be done to the magician. Hence why it is important to protect the self.
At the same time, parasites and imposters (as it is easy to shift the outer parts of your energtic body and make a claim to be someone else) do exist as well, so labeling all negative spiritual experiences stemming from the popular spirits is also unwise. Ultimately, both scenarios can be dealt with through the same methods. The main way to tell the difference would be to 1) use the techniques meant to prevent parasites and imposters and 2) repeat the evocation to see if you get a similiar result. If the result from the repeating evocation is pretty much the same, you know that is not a spirit to be worked with.
Idk, my experience is that spirits will let me walk into whatever I want to, and not bail me out unless I know there is a problem and ask for help. I usually feel like it’s either clear someone’s not working with who they think they are or they going through a trial/test because each have distinct markers in my experience.
Might not be a bad idea. I agree that entities can do things that aren’t pleasant and all of that, sometimes it’s a test/trial period and sometimes it’s just you shouldn’t work with that entity/you don’t jive.
I think there’s as much danger in expecting or thinking it’s normal or okay for an entity to walk all over you, as there is with parasites/imposter types. It baffles me that people are willing to accept that as a normal encounter, rather than either standing for themselves or working with something else.
Entities will often test your operatorship, by asking you to do things you’ve got moral and ethical issues with, or that you are sure you don’t want to do. Those are often tests to see if you will hold your ground or flake and allow the entity to walk all over you.
Now I do agree many of these demons who people are so quick to attack a newbie on for being negative can very well be negative. Lilith can be parasitic if she wants, Belial can attack someone if he wants, hell if people believe Yahweh attacks people a God then a demon is no where out of the possibility.
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