But i was curious because some entitiesrequired day light to perform the rituals with them. Now i know entities understand our daily work goals and objectives.
So will it still work if a person has the ritual petition written fully then signed with your name on their sigil while in the vehicle at the entities planetary hour then later on during the day when you are at home you place the ritual petition on their altar with the candle lit and the offering placed.
Will the ritual still work ?
Or does it always have to be done with a lit candle and focusing on their sigil?
You have mixed up a bunch of techniques that all work by themselves.
If you were doing sigil magick, you do sigil gazing and visualize the outcome as a “fait accompli”.
If you are doing a petition, you write the petition in a ritual, and evoke the entity to get thier signature while visualizing the outcome.
If you are doing evocation you do that at the planetary out IF you are using a system that cares about this.
So, if what you did, was write the petition in a non-magickal way, didn’t get the entity to come and sign it to get thier agreement, and put zero attention, visualization and intention into it when lighting a candle, then you didn’t do any magick at all.
The planetary hour is irrelevant when you didn’t evoke the presence in the first place.
So no that doesn’t work.
BUT if you are doing magick and just didn’t clarify that in your post, then it will work because the planetary hour is from a 4th completely different system (kabbalah) and irrelevant here - you are not doing kabbalistic ceremony in any way for this.
All my magick is demonolatry magick.I prefer building relationships with the entities rather than command them.
Hence my usual ritual setup is as follows.
I place a sigil of the deity in front of me with a color corresponding to their domain. Before a ritual i would have handwritten a petition with the deities sigil at the end. I dim all lights , invite the entity into my domain , light up their candle then stare at their sigil until i start to feel the sigil is lifting off the paper. It usually takes me about 15 min to reach that state then i come forward , i read through the petition twice then prick my finger and place a single small drop on their sigil on the petition.
Then leave it there near the candle and continue gazing into their sigil for another 10 min while Visualizing my outcome.
Then i neatly fold the petition towards me , thank the deity, allow them to leave in peace and then i close the ritual and leave the petition there until the candle fully burns out.
I mostly use Tapered Candles so that burning time isnt as long because if its during the day i dont want anyone that enters my room to gaze at it and ask questions or read the paper especially that “Magick” and Witchcraft are a taboo in my house.
Then afterwards i hide the petition inside a black cloth or black A4 paper and then hide it in a place that only i can access.
Then whenever its the day or planetary hour of the deity i usually place the petition again and light the candle and leave it to fully burn then hide the petition again..
Is what am doing wrong ???
Unless i have misunderstood “Magick”.
Please know i am the only one alone in my neighborhood that performs such because in my country its illegal and not allowed. So any information i have gathered is basically for internet sources and forums.
I wish i had someone to work with and learn the entire basics etc.
This is not really how petitions work… you cannot forge the entities signature. You sign it yourself, THEN you get into ritual to get the entity to sign it.
To have a petition you just wrote by yourself is not an agreement on both sides, you might as well just write a letter of intent.
So, depending on how you do it, you do not need a sigil and you don’t need to sign it. You don’t need blood. All these exist in various systems and you’ve fused them into this, which is fine, it’s making your worry and that’s not good.
If you follow @DarkestKnight 's tutorial there is no sigil, no offering, no manifestations - the entire point of it is you don;t have open senses and don’t need them. This is not demonolatry though, that’s it’s own religion.
I have it saved in the First Contact tutorials collection:
No, it’s signed when you psychically see them sign it. You watch them do it in the astral. You can then trace over thier signature so it’s visible in the physical.
The way I do it, is I author the petition, then open an evocation ritual and take the letter into the circle with me… This is more like a pact, only a mini pact for the request in the petition. I just find it more effective this way, as I never got a simple petition to work without putting in this extra effort myself:
So the steps I use are (but this is ceremonial which you don’t do):
Author the petition, with intent, and sign it yourself
Open a ritual and evoke the entity - I so use sigils to make contact then call them into the room (don’t care what time, I always do this at night in a dark room)
Spend a little time explaining the situations, then read out the petition
As you read what you want them to do, feel like solution is at hand and imagine what it will look like to be resolved, as if you are there now - how you feel, how others feel, what happens, what you say and do.
Ask the entity to sign and wait to notice they sign it. Feel lots of gratitude.
– If they both do not seem to sign, and you get bad vibes that the object, ask why and get feedback - they may recommend someone else, or a different course of action. Have a pen handy to update the petition if needed.
Thank the entity and close the ritual.
More often I just use the sigil gazing method here (not ceremonial):
Or the pathworkings in Goetia Pathworking (also not ceremonial - more like shamanism).
BUUUT - I know nothing about Connolly’s stuff, I despise all religious sentiment in general, so I ignore Demonolatry on the principle that because it’s a religion it’s diminishing and insulting to the practitioner as all worship is.
You could call it a blind spot. But if demonolatry told you to combine every contact method under the sun it seems like spamming then but only asking the question once.
I have always been curious about ceremonial. I also fear it a bit because i hear stories of people getting slapped in the face if the entity was untreated with respect. I do understand its quicker and its got faster results but again nothing comes easy without a price.
Thats why i chose demonolatry Magick because rather than command and request i build a relationship with them.
I dont usually manage to make contact while in the ritual but usually my questions are answered through visual signs I requested or dreams while i sleep.
This has usually worked with multiple deities but with King Clauneck this is my 4th attempt.
I hope this time he accepts it and it becomes reality.
I do understand they cant suddenly spawn 10 million dollars but i just requested something very simple in closing a small amount of debt i owe to someone within 2 Weeks.
Worship is NOT the same thing as respect, and most of these entities - and I think the actually worthy ones - never wanted or asked to be worshiped. I think they put up with demonolaters gushing over them like fangirls at a Taylor Swift concert, but they don’t actually like it or respect you for it. You can hold awe and reverence without going full cult-tard.
You can and everyone absolutely does develop a relationships with entities through normal evocation, dreaming, vision work and the like. Demonolatry does not have the monopoly on that.
I have strong relationships with most of the entities I work regularly with - that just comes with showing up and being there for them and yourself, which is all they ask.
No you do not get “slapped in the face” randomly. Like attracts like.
If you are rude, you can get rudeness back. If you are authentic and respectful, you get that back. You do not need to subscribe to a religion to do any of that - it’s in your own hands.
There’s a difference between “price” and “putting in the effort”. Nothing is free. But that doesn’t mean it is a transaction.
The way I see it, if you think you can pay for thier work, you are treating them like whores and that don’t respond well to that.
That’s a different issue. It’s ideal here to do a divination into why it’s not happening. It’s not about how much you pay if there’s blocks to the path of manifestation.
You might find you need to do a working to clear the blocks in parallel to the original working.
Because it includes setting up protections and boundaries, and cleansing the space before and after the ritual, which casual methods (low magick) like pathworking and demonolatry never do, and never tell you to take care of separately. The structure takes care of all aspects and leaves nothing to chance.
Relationships are what develop within the moments of contact. It doesn’t matter as much HOW you make contact - that’s up to you.
You can evoke him the same way you evoke any entity. We have tutorials for this as well, and a collection of related methods that I just linked you.
If you scroll down in that “First Contact” collection, you will see things like this:
I like E.A. Koetting’s method and that is what I use the most.- Get in circle and use the sigil to make contact and call them to you using his incantations.
I’s also worth doing preparatory immersion for a new entity…
And if you’re having issues evoking there’s a post for t hat too..
In ceremonial Magick, do you still use planetary hours , days of week ?
And does it always have to be a circle drawn on the floor or it can be a triangle or pentagram?
And if it its triangular or pentagram does it mean each point should have a candle so if pentagram 5 candles ?
And if i had already invoked using S Connolly King Clauneck.
Can you still on the same day at the same planetary hour later evoke the demon ?
I kind of need a mentor since i need to perform this right for the first time so that i know everything in hand and use the same knowledge for other entities…
There are many kinds of ceremonial magick system. In some, such as the Golden Dawn system which is based in kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) then you do. Likewise In the Solomonic system, you do.
In E.A. Koetting’s system you do not.
Many modern mages find the ceremonial systems from yesterday to be overkill, and to contain too much fluff that is unnecessary and redundant. (And if you don’t understand or feel why you’re doing it, it’s a waste of time as the intention isn’t right.) Instead, they look to understand the reason why those complicated tools and techniques were added.
The reason is simple - they replace the need to read yours and the situational energy to raise enough to send into the working directly. By following elaborate procedures the energy is raised as par for the course.
But if, like E.A., you gain skill and sensitivity to the energy involved directly, and can divine or sense what is needed and when it’s working and when it’s enough, then what technique you use to raise and direct it is less important. But you still need to get that done.
No. If you are using a scrying mirror you never put the candle in front of it. The flame will cast light upon the surface of the mirror and blank out whatever you’re expecting to see. It’s called a black mirror for a reason. You don’t want any reflection.
I mean exactly that. Draw down power and use it to draw the circle around you, “seeing” it within your mind’s eye.
Are you trying to do a petition or a pact? They are not at all the same thing. A pact requires direct communication with the spirit.
It’s all imaginary, but it’s a different faculty of imagination, called the magical imagination, not regular every day daydreaming. Developing the magical imagination takes practice.
Where is the candle placed ? Somewhere fare away from the mirror in the same room ?
I have tried contacting King Clauneck multiple times with no success but reading about this today it seems all my previous requests were actually nullified.
So i would day am trying to first contact him get to know him then later on request something from him.
I am not sure what its called when a paper is written , signed with blood with the request then require the deity to help you with the request.
So , can it be done while seated on a chair facing a mirror and the sigil ? Or does it have to be done while seated on the floor with the mirror in front of you with the sigil ?
Yes, it can be done in a chair. There’s no specific position required, it’s whatever makes you comfortable and can let the energy flow unhindered.
Then all you really need to do is open his seal with the magical gaze. The seal is like the spirit’s phone number. You don’t need to add blood, and you don’t need the mirror if all you want to do is establish contact first. You can just open the seal and project your intent through it.
Generally, two candle are placed, one on either side, of the mirror, and back far enough that the mirror can be seen but no reflection is cast upon its surface.
So i was deeply associated with demonolatry Magick by S Connolly but until i got to know more about ceremonial Magick i feel more safe more enlightened.
A big thanks to @Mulberry & @DarkestKnight for being patient with my questions and giving detailed answers.
Its highly appreciated.
Now since i am creating a journal and keeping track of each deity since now am in ceremonial Magick is it still necessary to follow the deity time of day and planetary hour ?
For example President Buer is a day deity,
Can you still summon him during the night at mercury time hours ? And is the incense always associated with the deity always recommended to be used or fan you change to according to what you have ?
And which is the best option to use in ceremonial?
Black Mirror, Scrying Bowl , Or Incense?
And is an actual triangle or circle or pentagram always required for you to sit in it during the summoning to protect yourself.
I think when i have answers to these questions i would have acknowledgeded all the necessary details entirely to work with any deity.
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