Need help understanding my situation and how to protect myself

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I’ll try to give the short version of events, or at least only focus on what’s needed to get the general picture across to make a long story slightly less long. I’ll give more context and details if needed.

Around late may/early June, I apparently got the attention of a spirit that had the intentions of enslaving me. I didn’t know what was going on at first, as my ability to sense spirits isn’t much more than being able to feel the presence of a spirit. Dreams are still where I get the most information from/about any spirits trying to interact with or communicate with me (outside of divination reads. I also don’t actively try to work with spirits since I can’t really communicate with and identify them yet.). I just noticed my mental state start to decline, and several intrusive and unwanted thoughts start to pop up.

I’ve done a few different banishing and cleansing rituals since the mental issues started as I felt their presence, and was told by divination reads that there were spirits near me, but nothing seemed to do the trick in completely getting rid of them. I ended up getting help from someone that managed to figure out what was going on, and the process of removing this spirit began. I was told that this spirit had other spirits and people enslaved to it, some of which (the spirits, not people) were being used to get me under it’s influence. A parasitic-like entity/thing was removed from me during this process, which caused my mental state to start improving, but it was still a weak point that was attacked during this.

Recently, I was told that the main spirit after me was killed, and things did start calming down around the time I was told this happened. However, here’s where I’m confused, and need help understanding things.

A few days after I was told the main spirit was killed, I got a dream that had one of the spirits enslaved by the main spirit visit me. (I have been visited by spirits in dreams before this, so I know what dreams with spirits in them are like. A divination read also confirmed it was one of those spirits.). A plot was also mentioned, but I haven’t been able to get more details about that. I had more dreams that line up with previous dreams with spirits in them, one of which involved people trying to trick and enslave me. I’ve also had similar feelings to the ones I was getting at the start of this situation, though they fade and return, and aren’t as consistent/persistent as they were at the start.

Another thing that happened recently that confused me, was that I got a divination read from someone that said spirits were involved in what’s going on right now. However, the read implied that there are more “factions” or “sides” for lack of a better term at play here than I was aware of, and that I was suggested as being the aggressor/one at fault in the situation (As far as the spirits were concerned), and that there was more to the situation than simply me being in danger of being enslaved. I’ll note that I didn’t ask this person for this read, so I don’t know what actual question the reader asked when this was done.

Can anyone help me make sense of what’s going on, and how to protect myself?

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Songs like what I call Archons based on a similar experience. These are a religious faction of beings that want all humans sleep and under control, it’s not just you, but they feel threatened by people with the potential to be or who are good mages.

They will also send people into your life to drain you and distract you with drama, from romantic to agressive behavior.

I got rid of mine by invoking The Morrighan and going on the warpath, it was a long and exhasting working where I intensely hunted them down in the astral version of Earth and burned them all alive; every single one I could find. There’s a post about it around here somewhere. All my issues cleared up after that.

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That main spirit wasn’t described as an archon by the original person helping me. If their intention is to keep me from progressing my development, than continuing to go after me would be counter intuitive, as I was already trying to take a break from/step away from the occult after I learned of the death of the first spirit since I wanted to avoid attracting more attention through the occult until I had fully recovered from my experience. Attacking me more is what’s keeping me in the occult/progressing my development.

I’m not really experienced enough to do something to that extent of invoking/astral hunting on my own. I also can’t distinguish imposters from true spirits and these spirits have interfered, and impersonated a different spirit last time I tried getting help from a spirit to protect me. So, I’m not in the position to invoke. Astral projection isn’t something I’m able to do yet.

Really, I’m just not in the position to do things on my own right now. I’ve barely done much more than meditating, and banishing and cleansing.

Can you tell me of/help me find someone who can help fight these spirits while I build up the skills/strength needed to fight them on my own? I’m practically defenseless if more enslaved spirits are just thrown at me the moment I banish some. I can’t spend every waking hour banishing.

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There’s a bit more context I can give about the original spirit if needed.

I’m still not 100% sure if that original spirit is actually dead, and what I’m experiencing now is just minor spirits trying to take advantage of me in my weakened state. If it’s just independent minor spirits trying to take advantage of me, that can be dealt with fairly easily on my own from what I know and am told. If it’s that main spirit, or another one like it still focused on me, or worse, has some sort of hold over me, I’m not in the position to do this on my own.

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Spirits don’t die permanently… I gather they get timed out to some different realm for a while. Probably a spirit-death means it needs to change it’s energy structure before it comes back.

You might have some attachment to these spirits for some reason. If you are naturally open to outside/ astral influences that could get you into some trouble. You are right that you can’t be banishing every waking hour. You can try to teach yourself to ground yourself and close yourself off from just any influence hanging around you. First by trying not to give them as much attention. It doesn’t get rid of them, but it’ll loosen their grip on you.
I’m kinda struggling with the same thing, but I couldn’t tell you what the best way to go about it is.

My current solution is to dive deep into occultism and black magick/ witchcraft since I have had an interest in that anyway since my teens, perhaps even earlier. While it is somewhat helpful for me, it can probably be pretty dangerous for others. So do what I do at your own peril.

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Before I was told the spirit was killed, I was told that the best way to get protection was from someone with religious/spiritual authority. I’m unsure if that’s still the best, or even only way to go forward for me. Do you have any recommendations of the type of person (like what their role or field is) to go to for (potential) long term protection from these spirits, and how I can figure out if I’m naturally open to astral influences? I’ve also been trying to close myself off to outside influences lately.

Again, I’m hoping that it’s just minor independent spirits trying to take advantage of me right now, since I could likely deal with that on my own. I just don’t know how to figure this out for certain.

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That’s fair. You only have the UPG of one person, without verifying it for yourself, or at least independently via another person’s UPG, ideally done blind, there’s no guarantee that this is correctly interpreted, so I would be cautious about taking this too much to heart as well.

On the principle of prepare for the worst and hope for the best, I’d expect a return s well as multiple other spirits, and act accordingly.

Only because that’s what you have decided.

Do you think I’d done that before I HAD to? No I had no idea what I was doing. This is literally how you gain this experience - by doing it.
There’s zero reason for you to put yourself down and assume you can’t do it - ALL humans are stronger than these things, that’s why we are targets in the first place, all you have to do is give yourself permission to do it.

I recommend The Morrighan but also Samael for guidance on work like this. But Kali and other demon fighting entities are also good. Invoke and use the intuition that gets you, to show these things you’re going to finish what they should not have started. Get your warrior energy on

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I think anyone that is of a more esoteric or mystic branche of a religion might be your best bet.

You can check if you have a above average openess when minding yourself when around other people.
Do you get tired easily among large groups of people, like walking 300 meters on a busy saturday in a city takes more out of you than walking 10 km. in a quiet environment. When a very angry or tweaked out person enters a room. Does your mood change with it before other people seem to be affected?
It’s noticing little things like that, that would give you any idea of how open and easily influenced you are.

What has helped me so far is a bunch of little things piling up. But mostly learning about the human energy system and playing around with things like, when sitting down legs slightly apart and your hands resting on you knees makes your energy system be a part of the general flow around you. When you cross your ankles and your wrists or clasp your hands together you become more of a closed system and see how it affects me.
Eventually I learned how to play around with it mentally, without the physical gestures.

And another thing that helped me is when walking through a crowd, walking at a slower pace but determined. Back straight eyes in front but not necessarily looking at people in front of me. Don’t budge, let people get out of your way instead of the other way around. If you get stuck, don’t do the dance of left-right together with the person in front of you. Just stand still patiently and let them move around you.

None of this gets rid of your “hitcher spirits”, but it taught me how to stand firmly in swirls of energy and the mindset I need to not get swept from one end to another and wearing myself out doing nothing intensive in particular and I learned to transfer this when encountering more metaphysically swirls of energy and entities.

Above all, like Mulberry says… don’t let yourself be defeated without a fight. Get your warrior energy on!
These things want something from you. They are interested in you. That means you do have some form of power and influence over them as well!

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I’m still going to put up a fight, and do what I need to in order to come out on top. I know I have the potential to do everything myself, but I also know that if I can get help, I should. Getting help from someone trustworthy, even if it’s just someone making sure that I’m doing everything right can still make a big difference.

Again, with invoking, like I said, I’m hesitant to do that because I’ve tried that before, and one of those enslaved spirits impersonated who I was trying to contact. Since I still don’t know the exact/true nature of my situation, I’m not sure I should take that risk just yet. If the danger has past, and it’s just independent minor spirits screwing with me, then I might need to take a restrained approach to quickly get rid of them without drawing more attention to myself. If the danger is still there, or they are simply waiting for a chance for me to open myself up to them, then they are waiting for me to invoke so they can hijack it, and use it as an entrance into me/my life again. Invoking/working with the right spirits is one of those things I feel like I really need someone’s help with if I’m to do something like that before I’m more developed, again, even if it’s just to make sure it was done right, and the correct spirit invoked.

Could you link me to some resources on how to get into fighting condition from basically nothing? Methods to confirm things for myself would also be appreciated

I also know that you seem to say I should do things on my own, but with spirits already interfering, it’s like I said; even having someone to simply check and make sure I’m doing things right can help me avoid making a mistake that could set me back. Can you help me find someone like this?

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Do you know how/where I can find someone like that?

As for the rest of your post, I hadn’t really noticed any of those little things, but I’ll see what happens in those situations, and try to figure things out from there.

Thanks for your other suggestions and advice as well. I’ll make use of as much as I can.

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Hope it helps you along!

About meeting people like that:
Go to public gatherings or public “temple” services of Sufi or Gnostic groups, visit a Buddhist temple when it’s open for public, see if there are Taoist-focused activity groups near (like Tai Chi or Qi-gong groups that are not only about the activity, but also the philosophy) anything like that that you might be curious about anyway and talk to the people there about their philosophy and views. It’s been a pretty decent way for me to meet interesting people, get a feel if they resonate with me and learn an interesting (and sometimes also a very practical) thing or two about different esoteric schools of thought. You might make a friend that is willing to help you with your situation or is able to give you some advice.

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In that case you can banish and cleanse right now. There’s no need to wait. It’ll work or it wont and if it doesn’t then you can do it again or get heavier.

I would that that person is you. You’re being your own worst enemy with this assumption that you’re not good enough. You MAKE it true because that’s what you think, that’s how magick work - YOU are the instrument, everything about you is the instrument and you are only as good as your calibration of your mind and body.

After that, this forum is not about advertising services, it’s all about learning to do your own magick. If you can put up with the situation until you learn enough to feel more comfortable, great, if not, we can wish you good luck, but apart from the forum owners rituals for hire we can’t endorse anyone. Mostly because it would turn this from a discussion forum about magick to a spamfest of adverts, scammers included, and the forum owners can give you a refund on their stuff bought through the becomealivinggod site (if it came to that), but not random others.

It’s in your attitude. This isn’t as much about having astral senses developed, as visualising and getting your mind right. You don’t need a delicate conversation here. You need a flamethrower, you can use a sledgehammer to crack this nut and nothing with ever mess with you again.

try motivations videos on youtube, Goggins is good, listen to angry music - try Kreigsgaldr (war chant) by Heilung, say. Put that on repeat, listen to the battle drums and go kick some ass.
I used the song in this post, with headphones - that ritual was a couple of hours of stomping up and down looking like a crazy person probably, but I was on my own in my house, so. :smiley:

Music is very evocative for getting the right energy, although you have to be halfway there it can’t replace willpower totally where there isn’t enough. I don’t see why you can’t get thoroughly indignant and angry about this unprovoked attack - who do these fuckers think they are anyway, none of this is ok and you are well in your rights to defend yourself. Self defense is a universal law on your side - you have the high ground so use it.

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Thanks for the advice. I have been trying to change my mindset and attitude for this situation.

If I told you what I know (or more so, what I was told) about that main spirit, would that help you get a better idea of what’s in store for me/what I should expect? Or even get a better idea on how I need to proceed?

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This here is a common misconception: that banishing is a one and done. But I’m my xp and the posts on this forum, this is like throwing the mouse put the back door but doing nothing to stop it coming right back in.

This also applies to exorcisms done by others. The other thing that can happen is people close to you get it instead, and/or it hides and only pretends to leave.

So either you are not banishing effectively, there’s more and not all are considering themselves banished, and/or they are rebounding. You have a couple of options when they keep coming back, kill them (my preferred way, might not actually “kill” kill then but they are permanently removed from your personal reality… and also set up proper wards. Wards are like a fence around you - or a closed door - a keep out sign that stops unwanted from coming into your space in the first place.

I would get started putting wards in place after a good banishing. Personally I have several layers aimed at different kinds of intrusion as well as personal shields and mirror shield to return to sender any intentional baneful magick. I built these over years: there’s no need to rush this work, develop them like adding extensions to your house, project by project, build to suit, as and when you have the time and energy.

This is good: it’s so recent it’s unlikely to be deeply embedded. It’s not like a thing that came in from childhood that’s now enmeshed in your psyche and connected to your memories and even personality. It’s not part of you.

Well you’ve got two choices, you can TRY, which loses you nothing, gets you experience and information so you start developing skills, or you can keep playing it like your a helpless child, which you’re not, and give it more time to work it’s way deeper, learn your system and grow bigger and stronger as you have your strength and will sapped.

Paying E.A. to deal with it will work at cost, great, ne’s the real deal and that will work… but he’s also going to tell you to get your act together and set up protections and figure out the why or its likely to happen all over again.

You have to do this for yourself if you don’t want to just be in a circle of reinfection that just repeats.

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Well, Like I’ve said, I’m sure I’m capable of doing it on my own, but knowing who/where to fall back on if I get overwhelmed will only be a benefit.

What are some methods for warding and protection I can do right now with no materials readily available to me? Can you also give me some resources on proper banishing methods to make sure I’m doing things right.

I’m have a consultation with E.A. scheduled for the 5th (not ritual, just consultation/reading), so hopefully he can help get me the insight, guidance, and other things I might/will need by then.

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I’m not sure about that. A lot of my thoughts continue to drift towards this spirit, with mental images of it’s traps all around me constantly.

Though, that could be my anxiety more than anything else. That’s what I’m hoping to find out soon.

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No dude.

I’m sure a lot of people around here would like that but it’s not how it works generally. Maybe if you find a coven or order locally it’s different but those are hard to find and this forum isn’t the place for that.

If you can’t stand on your own two feet without being spoon fed, choose a different route. Go see a therapist or a doctor and hope conventional medicine can do something.

However, no one is going to do your work for you and neither should they… this is a world of very independent thinkers and it can be dangerous to rely on others’ upg, just, don’t do it… you’re going to have to put in some research and a bunch of trial an error effort. :woman_shrugging: or don’t bother and continue to suffer it’s your choice.

Use the search at top right with the keywords “tutorial” and you’ll find hundreds of free how-to posts.

You should pretty quickly see a megathread that does its best to give you a start on everything - see free tutorial collections in that.

Here’s the thing: you need to not put other mages on any kind of pedestal, we’re all perpetual students doing the best we can, maybe we can do something, we have a Request thread for volunteers, but you really want to just do it yourself. We all do this, and so can you.

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Sorry if I came off as trying to push off everything for other people to handle. That’s not my intention. I’m just trying to find accurate information on what to do. I have looked through the forums for tutorials before, but it’s been a while. The original person helping me offered to help without me asking, and he did give me a few methods I could do on my own to cleanse and protect myself. I haven’t really checked this forum since this whole stuff started.

I was already trying to take a step back from the occult before this situation started so I could focus on other things. Really, I just want to be left alone by spirits. That’s my main goal right now. I don’t want to be helpless. I want to be someone who can push back anything thrown at me. I know that completely relying on others to handle things is far from the best way to handle things, as it just leaves me vulnerable as I wait for help I might not get.

I read the request thread. I’ll try a few things on my own first, and then maybe post a request on that thread if I feel like I need instant/fast help with something.

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I hope the following ideas will help…

Cleansing:

Smoke cleansing (Smudging). There’s a bunch of vids on youtube, find the ones where native americans (north, central or south) explain how. (White) sage is very popular, palo santo, cedar wood and herbs like rosemary are also very effective.

Ritual (cleansing) baths, preferably a salt bath and/ or add some cleansing and protective herbs.

Ringing a bell through your house (silver is very effective, I believe), a bit like smudging your house but with sound (and intent)

Genuine laughter is not only medicine, but also a great way to turn bad energy energy into positive (for you) or just banishes energy that doesn’t match yours.

Spring cleaning, meaning cleaning your entire house, every corner and crevice while having your windows open (while holding the focused intent of clearing out all energy that doesn’t belong) . An extra bonus, I find, is putting on some music that makes you happy and singing along with it every now and then, the louder the better. It doesn’t have to sound good, as long as you just have fun doing it.

Either after your house is clean just on it’s own. You can make a cleansing/ protection. banishing concoction and or go over all the corners and crevices with a spray bottle after you’ve smudged

With all these cleansings it’s important to keep the clear intention of getting rid of bad energy. You could visualize it as blowing away brownish/ blackish clouds that either dissipate or flee through open windows.

Warding:

The Hexafoil is an ancient Bruxes/ Witchcraft/ folk magic symbol for protection, you can use that as a ward throughout your house on windows and doors etc. even make a talisman with that symbol.

You can design your own symbol/ sigil for protection using the Chaos Magick method or design something that has significance for you and also spread that around your house. If you feel you need some immediate and powerful warding you can draw that sigil in blood on your window.

Create a servitor for warding purposes, you can set it to feed on parasites that mean to harm you. I know not everyone does this, but do take in consideration that servitors should generally be created for temporary purposes.

I have a rosemary bush in a public planter in front of my house hat I tend to, It’s for protection from any astral energy that means to do harm in my house and that of my two neighbors.

Two helpful servitor links: (there’s a part 1 to the youtube vid, which I’d strongly recommend if you are unfamiliar with the terms egregor, thoughtform and servitor)

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