Is magick "fake"?

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No I am not trolling. This is a serious question. Do you ever feel magick is fake or not real? A propagated idea thats been perverted into the system today.

The main reason im led to believe this is

  1. The lacking of supernatural experiences in my life (ive had some but not nearly as much as id assume would happen for someone who opened up their life to these enitites)

  2. The limitations of magick. There seems to be a limit on what is realistic for manifestation. It seems to be impossible to change ones physical experience as well as jumping between whole realitites instantly.

  3. Sparse evidence to back it up. I mean, this one is reasonable there is little evidence we have to support the practice of magick.

  4. The use of the imagination. This is my biggest problem with magick is the need to use my own imagination to be able to make contact with entities or feel energy. I mean for me i feel like if it was all real i could just see what is already there instead of having to use my imagination.

It seems like when people ask these real questions everyone has the perfect answer. Something along the lines of “well if you believe its fake then it is” or "its not for everyone.

I also cant believe that its entirely fake since its been used since the dawn of time. Also i CANNOT explain waking up in a new dimension or seeing a sigil disapear before my eyes and vanishing instantly. I CANNOT explain seeing the refelction in my mirrior looking at me (besides maybe hallucinations). I also CANNOT explain a ghost hitting my window and plummenting me into fear as well as waking up my family to come check on me.

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In my opinion, no it’s not fake at all.

Magick doesn’t hide behind faith. Magick without evidence is a blind belief… another religion. Real Magick is a series of applications that we call rituals or spells, created to take advantage of natural laws that doesn’t need faith to “work”. Believe in it or not, it will work.

Reality as we call it and understand it, is exactly what’s fake. Magick allows us to explore reality in a more realistic way than our minds could handle. Many people completely lose their minds because of that. Not because it’s fake but because it brings too much information than what their minds could process. There’s a reason why our minds are designed this way, many filters and illusions to mask the real-reality, to allow our brains to function properly. In magick, we take those masks off, and deal with reality the way it is, not the way our minds project to us.

Imagination is a tool and a gateway. It’s nothing more than that. Do you use emotions consciously in your daily life? It’s the same principle. Imagination is one of our senses. We all use it one way or another. All arts are 90% imagination, for example. And it’s a credible and respectful human activity. The same when we use it in magick. It’s not what magick is. Some kinds of magick need less to no imagination at all. None whatsoever.

If you’re not experiencing any supernatural events going on then I suggest you examine and question your practice and source of information.

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Generally no I don’t, but there is fake “magick” out there for sure.

I have seen objects literally move on their own as well as seen spirits with what I assume are my physical eyes considering they were indistinguishable from people.

Well depends what you mean?

If you mean shape shifting your body in the physical like a werewolf then yes that’s impossible and only possible in the Astral, or if by this you mean you can have spirits help you achieve your top physical performances then it is possible.

And of course jumping between “realities” with your bodies I personally don’t accept the theories of parallel universes or any of that quantum quackery.

I do believe in whole other realms that only the mind and spirit can access through certain psychedelics and soul travel, but no, you can’t jump between them physically.

The problem here is that Magick has never been seriously investigate by anything mainstream, James Randi is one that comes to mind but he isn’t so much interested in proving it but rather disproving it.

So he picks people who he finds unstable to hedge his bets and confirm his bias.

Here a video I recommend looking into to start understanding the mind and consciousness which is important in proving Magick.

Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-6hosFAObI

In Magick the goal is not to simply use imagination, but to control it.

But I see where your coming from, in modern times there’s this phenomena I like to call “Whole sale Magick”, which likes to comfort you and get down on your level and jump right to evocation, while skipping the basics.

When in centuries past it was an initiation process, the student had to Master his mind fully in all aspects before even getting into sigils let alone evocation.

with out this mastery, you do Magick fruitlessly, and become discouraged from the lack of results and phenomena. Some people may have a natural talent at seeing spirits but even they have to achieve mastery over their mind.

The imagination is Thought in motion, therefore its it pertinent that the initiate controls that motion and focus it like a laser of astral light.

It’s only one tool in the arsenal of the Magician.

I’m with you on that, I don’t like those answers either.

To me it seems too much based on Faith.

And I’m of the opinion that Humanity is fully capable of explaining the why and why not’s of Magick. I’ve been working on a unified theory of cosmology that tackles this very thing.

Feel free to ask me questions if you cannot explain something. :+1:

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No, it’s real. I have my experiences, that’s all I need.

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Far from it. Magick is a real science based on both concrete and supernatural laws. However, nothing is immune to dogma and religiosity, which is where that 2D, paper-thin feeling might come from.

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Doubt is natural, but it does not change the state of the phenomena.
Magick is not fake, and it can be explained like any other element by proper observation over a long period of time…not that most people bother staying attentive for that long of a time.

It is an elusive son of a bitch, but it is there, even I believe it exists, and I use a healthy dose of science.

I am skeptical when people talk about telekinesis, I don’t know if magick can alter physical reality overtly, but I have observed that the brunt of magickal power seem to be probability control.

You should perhaps not expect teleportation and fireballs, and more like winning the lottery.

Never a guarantee, but manipulation of fate tends to have interesting consequences.

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There are elements that are beyond question. I’ve spent many days in terrible situations in the very worst parts of the world. Like you, I’ve seen things that defy logic, physics and time. It’s real…it’s always just the question of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go… I’ve always come back to the question “does it matter?” The mechanisms may change from system to system and circumstance to circumstance, but that shit happens all over the world. Believe or don’t…you’ll see things you can’t explain. If it’s nothing else but a method for you to focus your will and achieve a outcome, isn’t that real? Just my two cents…

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I guess this is a better question. I shared my experience with some people on my discord and they kept saying “wait and you still doubt magick is real?!” Which i was like okay i guess i cant deny its real.

@Myrddin

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For example - If pointing lighting where to strike, and create spark of fire in hands out of energy is not enough then, no magic is not real lol.

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You are kind of a mask of the Source energy.

To create the interface of a being from a non-physical realm in this dimension it helps for you to give them some energy so that you can perceive them

You do this by visualising their form.

They can exist and act without that but beginners may not be able to perceive them.

Also, visualised forms and other things help spirits know which routes and actions to take.

You visualise/imagine as a co-creator of reality. not like someone idly daydreaming.

If you keep a journal you will find that over time, you have enough proof that you no longer doubt, but if you neglect to keep notes your mind will try to kind of minimise the weirder things and try to “talk you out of it” because it craves a baseline of normality.

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(Warning: this may come off as a bit harsh or trollish. It is not intended to be as such, as I have wrestled with the same conflict).

You are certainly not the only one who has had to wrestle with that thought. I’ve been working magic on and off for about eleven years and I still question if it is “real” or “fake” from time to time. When I was in college, I studied Anthropology and focused quite a bit on the role of ritual in various societies. Within that major, you have to take that step back and view the effects of ritualistic behavior as an outsider. From that point of view, it is easy to see it as being “fake” as the effects can be explained using psychology (Rites of Passages and funeral rites are great examples). Stepping into the same events as an insider where we blend in personal beliefs, all the emotions during preparations and the sheer trauma that is caused in the ritual, it is very real. In a way, it seems that it is a matter of perception (just like any other means of examining life, including science as it is another form of philosophy that is widely accepted).

When I find myself in that state of mind, I tend to ask myself this one question: does it matter? Does it really matter if magic is something that is real and explainable, or if it is just another way of looking at life to help me approach life? One could spend their entire life debating on what is “truth/real” and what is an “illusion/fake”. There is nothing wrong with that (in fact, it is encouraged). But at the end of the day, it is not something one should drown themselves in it, as one may never know the “true” answer. There is just somethings that just don’t make sense and likely never will.

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Not fake at all.

  1. You can only perceive what you believe to be true.

  2. People do go to other dimensions

  3. Lots of suppressed evidence. It is not called occult for no reason.

  4. Our world is stabilized by our minds.

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Magick itself isn’t fake but some people’s progress can be.

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Not that impossible at all. Shape shifting ability ( 100% of it, not changing the size of one’s nose ) can be gotten within 60 days or in some tradition in 3 days.

Now why haven’t I acquired those skill yet then? Well this kind of power comes with Risk. In tantra it is said like after a point every ritual will be like walking on Razor sharp blade. Shorter the time period and more power it promises, more will be the risk/ Potentiality of downfall and the consequence will be far worse than Death or Life time of Insanity. ANd I don’t have the balls yet.

There are quite a few who experience change in timeline here. Though I doubt if it is a skill which they can do anytime at will.

Not true again. In my tradition One can Physically materialize a Powerful spirit like an Archangel or Maha-Dakini within 21 days. Physical enough to tear the summoner’s dick off or help him clean the room by lifting Sofa. The trick is it has to remain under the law of concealment.

Yoga-Imagination is just one path out of many.

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Completely fake. Those of us who aren’t wholly deluded from a combination of schizotypy and confirmation bias are just paid NWO shills purposefully perpetuating superstition and magickal thinking in order to keep humankind in the Dark Ages. There is no soul, spirits are made-up imaginary friends, and we tell ourselves we can effect change by chanting some funny words and thinking really hard because it helps rationalize away the fact that we live in a cold, uncaring Universe, doomed to follow its mechanistic laws and crumble back into nothingness after only a brief, pointless stay. :smiling_imp:

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"Not true again. In my tradition One can Physically materialize a Powerful spirit like an Archangel or Maha-Dakini within 21 days. Physical enough to tear the summoner’s dick off or help him clean the room by lifting Sofa. The trick is it has to remain under the law of concealment.

Yoga-Imagination is just one path out of many."

Could you share this technique or is it something well hidden? Or is it Yoga-Imagination? Anyways thank you!

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Seems pretty fake. I haven’t had a magi/witch kill me outright yet and believe me my ex and her family certainly had years of opportunities.

No, they used torture, drugs, and physical devices to secure pain. They did have a hold on others but maybe it was leverage/blackmail like a syndicate/mob. But man they went full out ritual all the time in private.

When life rips you up and you survive by sheer will; magick looks like make believe.

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I think it is real, though I see so much radically conflicting experiences on this forum, that the thought of it objectively real seems less obvious, how do they differ, that… don’t ask me. lol

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Really?

Impossible you say?

I’d like to disagree. :wink:

Oh almost forgott the Jumping between realities.
^^

Stupid me. :stuck_out_tongue:

Teleportation Explained.

There you go.

Enjoy.

:slight_smile:

But don’t come whining,
when you don’t like the new reality,
and want me to pull you back.

That’s on you,
then. :wink:

But maybe some of this information,
might become helpful,
once you’re over on the other side.

Oh and i Simply HAVE to share this beautiful piece here:

:wink:

about escapism.

In regards,
to how it actually works,
you may need this rune,
to actually pull it off successfully:

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It’s not mine tho.

So i can only share a little bit about it,
the actual creator of this rune is a Balg Member,
however,
so you can find him through the Rune.

It’s designed for Time Traveling,
and since the Actual Mechanism of “Reality Shifting”,
is based around Dimensional Jumps between already existing Timelines,
you’ll probably want that Sigil in a form where you can not lose it.

  • yes, I mean tattoed onto your skin.

Since you can’t tell about the specifics of the Other Dimension completely,
unless you got there,
you’ll probably want to make sure,
you have a ticket back home,
in case shit goes wrong. :wink:

If you want to attempt that without having the Sigil secured in place,
with you,
by any means…

You do you.

:smile:

Sincerely,

¥’Berioth

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Okay, come on!

Water filled with intend,
and injested for complete Dimensional Shifts…

Yeah,
i can see how that works,
but that’s the same degree as Candle or Sigil Magick.

Doesn’t do much Justice,
to the degree of understanding,
i want Titan.M to have.

This is more accurate.

And this guy is around 20,
so don’t tell me you can’t do that. :wink:

But wow,
yeah he really understood it.

He’s even using the correct Energy Tubes Set up.

Rare footage my friend,
Rare footage!

…
Seriously=?

Did i teach that guy???

Oh, Toth teached him.

Okay, got it.^^

Dear Toth,
in case this Boy is interested to gain full Demonhood,
send him over to me,
so i can initiate him into the Devil Gene.

Just if he wants to.

But i hereby clearly make the offer.

He’s worthy of it!

Sincerely,

¥’Berioth

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