Has anyone worked with Vine before? I have worked with him briefly (Only 2 evocations) and plan to work with him on a more personal level.
Just wanted to know (if this is a demon you have worked with) what your experiences were like?
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[quote=âSkinny_Man, post:1, topic:3580â]Has anyone worked with Vine before? I have worked with him briefly (Only 2 evocations) and plan to work with him on a more personal level.
Just wanted to know (if this is a demon you have worked with) what your experiences were like?[/quote]
I did some sigal magick & astral work with him a while back, Iâve been thinking about working with him again to: âbuild towersâ. (Ala, Finding a nice place to live).
Based on Weyerâs description, heâd be a great King to call on for improvement on your divination skills(I worked with Purson for this, and he really helped me), or even for finding local black magicians to form a circle, or perhaps for protection from black magic attacks.
He would appear to be a good Demon to call to reveal hidden secrets, hidden trouble, hidden enemies, and overcome them. Iâd recon he is also able to manipulate the weather, at least in lakes & oceans.
[url=http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/weyer.htm]http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/weyer.htm[/url]
i Vine is a great king and an earle, he showeth himselfe as a lion, riding on a blacke horsse, and carrieth a viper in his hand, he gladlie buildeth large towres, he throweth downe stone walles, and maketh waters rough. At the commandement of the exorcist he answereth of things hidden, of witches, and of things present, past, and to come.[/i]
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I did nothing more than open his sigil, and asked him an important request within the description of his capabilities in the Ars Goetia, which he fulfilled within 3 months.
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Speaking of the ars goetia, is there a resource that gives non ambiguous answers about what the spirits really do? Because some of them, Vine included have some pretty weird descriptions. Building a tower is not useful and is probably a metaphor for something
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You have to put 2 + 2 togetherâŚuse your intuition & do a little research.
âBuild Towersâ is obviously an allusion to building houses, homes, steady living, lifetime goals, etc. Thatâs what it means to me anyway. âTell past, present & futureââŚyou think that has something to do with Divination?
LikeâŚI would have NEVER figured out that Asmoday is the GOD of CASH if I didnât have a little imagination about âdiscovering buried treasuresâŚâ
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gnosis is right on. you have to ask what does the description mean TO YOU?
the answers are not obvious sometimes bc they are open to interpretation.
for example:
âleraje causes all great battles and contests; and maketh wounds to putrefy that are made with arrows by archers. this belongeth unto sagittary.â
you could conjure leraje to win debates or lawsuits by helping you cut your opponentsâ arguments down with sharp words that slowly cause them to waste away and die in the eyes and ears of your audience so that your own points shine through.
âhaagentiâs office is to make men wise, and to instruct them in
divers things; also to transmute all metals into gold; and to change wine into water, and water into wine.â
haagenti can be conjured for self-improvement or for the transformation of internal qualities.
vapulaâs office is to make men knowing in all handcrafts and professions, also in philosophy, and other sciences.â
a handicraft is creating custom products. a profession is a career. philosophy is thought leadership. other sciences can include technical ones such as engineering machines. so one could conjure vapula to teach internet marketing on the technical and product development side for one of a kind products that are not mass-produced therefore giving them greater value.
etc.
you have to use your imagination sometimes.
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You have to put 2 + 2 togetherâŚuse your intuition & do a little research.
âBuild Towersâ is obviously an allusion to building houses, homes, steady living, lifetime goals, etc. Thatâs what it means to me anyway. âTell past, present & futureââŚyou think that has something to do with Divination?
LikeâŚI would have NEVER figured out that Asmoday is the GOD of CASH if I didnât have a little imagination about âdiscovering buried treasuresâŚâ[/quote]
I also take them in a literal sense (As well as metaphorical). Building a âtowerâ is a defensive action, as it protects your âwallâ. Destroying âwallsâ is an offensive action as it leaves your enemy defenceless allowing their âtowerâ to be breached.
Though to also add, I agree with your interpretations as well.
@MichaelSmith
Ambiguity isnât a bad thing, in my opinion it would be bad if it wasnât ambiguous. Leaving spirits only to be black and white with no in between doesnât open many opportunities for usefulness (Though not complete uselessness), as the spirits would be limited in linear power.
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https://blackwitchcoven.com/demonology/demons-to-worship/vine/
Iâve been interested in this spirit but have kind of backed away because everywhere I read has that odd point about him being able to take ur soul⌠which is quite off putting. Anyone know what that bullshit is about?
this spirit is interesting
He can protect but attack in same time
maybe He can help for curse ritual
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EA koetting has a good video on that, he mentions your question
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Some recent posts regarding this demon
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Can anyone tell me who Vine was before he was a demon? What was his angelic name?
I dunno about âangelicâ but if you dig into work others have done with um you may find a common thread to older gods since the religious minded of old had a habit of demonizing the gods of cultures they conquered. Granted this kinda works in out favor as any human attachment to the previous âgodlyâ visage is replaced with a potentially unrestrained essence of that force that we can work with.
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How interesting. What does this mean?
âŚOr like how does this work?
This thread has a discussion another member and i had that explored the concept a bit.