The continuing education of Mike B

I wanted to respond to this post even though I am a bit late. Even at the very start of my practice as a magician, I observed very quickly that there is a spiritual objective reality outside of us. This was from my experience with the Angels and with the Gods, as my experiences of them were at times not what I was expecting but it was in accordance with their nature from the experiences of others.

These spirits and just about the whole of the spiritual world exists objectively of us. We are beautifully part of it and so interact with it. We are not seperate from it just as the Light we see is One Light, existing in relation to the light around it, and as the Air is unified, being one Atmosphere. But we are not the supreme authority of the Cosmos, we do not have total power. In some ways, we are low in the chain of authority, as it seems we rather recieve all the influences from above. And as we are aware, that encompasses a very large deal. We are the center of creation but not the highest authority.

I have seen time and time again, the vast majority of people, under the most circumstances (and this includes me), are simply not capable or entirely unwilling to move beyond the movement of the stars. We are subject to fate, and move perfectly with the stars most of the time.

On objective magickal experience: We find often that a newer or inexperienced magician (but, sometimes even very experienced ones) experiments and unintentially has a ritual or other experiment turn on them, and they have to pay the price. If our mind controlled all of reality, we would not experience this unintentionally, nor would it be possible for the phenomenon of being ā€œsurprisedā€ to exist in the first place.

Also, this is late, but from your earlier post from this one, if you need someone more to talk to Iā€™m always here as well! You have many friends on here that very gladly support you my friend.

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Mike, besides Gremori, are there any spirits that you know of that wonā€™t work with you if you donā€™t give them offerings when you ask them to fulfill your request?

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Let me give this answer the question with an in depth response it needs @Jetsetrose thank you for asking this I can address this now for all my readers.

First of offerings and gifts and all that are merely physical expressions of gratitude and respect and thanks.

The REAL offering comes from what you express in your heart. Thatā€™s the real offering. The sandlewood incense and liquor I just finished pouring for Focalor, thatā€™s garnish. Yeah he likes it but what heā€™s really interested that I respect his aid and take him seriously and my heart swells gratitude for whatā€™s been done.

Thatā€™s my view on offerings.

Iā€™ll invite @DarkestKnight and @anon4083462 @anon39079500 , three magicians I respect to give thier views on the subject.

I hope we can all gain from the exchange of perspectives here.

To answer specifically about Gremory @Jetsetrose I use offerings and gifts as a way to increase my soft power and diplomacy with the spirits.

Edit update: I speak only from my experience with the 72 not other classes of spirit.

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Hmmmmā€¦I give so freely, itā€™s hard to say. The Loa come to mind, but thatā€™s based more on tradition Iā€™ve read. Iā€™ve only worked with them in the past for others and they were knocking on my door to use them.

Lovecraftian entities come to mind. Once you get past the initial egregores, closer to the forces behind Lovecraftā€™s dreams, they demand a sacrifice of your time and effort or they donā€™t seem interested in helping. Still an early work in progress.

Land spirits are largely indifferent if you arenā€™t doing things for/against the land they inhabit. Offerings of things, good works towards the land can break that stalemate.

The dead seem to behave similarly, provided there isnā€™t a dispute or some form of conflict. They are willing to help your cause for offerings or if a relationship has developed.

Shadow people will largely not work with you without a relationship, usually built on offerings.

Thatā€™s about all I can think of off the top of my head.

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Much appreciated man :grin: I mean I barely evoke anyone let alone give them offerings but I will put my two cents if you wish for that.

I think it changes from beings to beings, as we can witness by angels for example, they donā€™t ask for anything, and a heartfelt thank you or a glass of water at most is enough for them.

Demons on other hand seems much more varied with that. There are offerings that are astrologically (by that I mean herbs and food associated with certain planets and constellations) related in Solomonic methods I am sure, but I canā€™t give more info on that, I am pretty sure you know who to tag about that. Still, the question of if its a neccesity or a gift stays I thinkā€¦

I would say Gods but I only have worked with one so far, you know, but they give me the vibe that you donā€™t have to evoke them most of the time and some generous offerings and adoration tends for you to get a favor for them.

Jinn LOVE offerings in my experience. And from what I have heard from some reliable contacts.

Then again you still do have a point in the end of it. Cold business style isnā€™t really the most heartwarming compared to an offering of a real graditute, in MY perspective. Unlickily I am no spirit, they could be beyond these concepts.

I could drag this longer I suppose but I guess while it will depend on the particular being the best way to go with it would be sincerity like you said. Couldnā€™t hurt.

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7-10-22 634 pm

Iā€™m gonna share something I learned when I had no home and lived on the streets. You really gotta take care of your family and friends. I went through a period where I was really abusive to almost everyone around me including myself. I lost alot of people, people that when I need had moved on without me.

I had some hard years.

I learned alot.

Now I take care of my people.

Today was supposed to be a chill day but emergencies came up ( they are with striking regularity lately) and when my people need me. Iā€™m there. No questions asked.

I donā€™t think Iā€™m a good man now, but Iā€™m a better man than I was. Let me tell you who stuck with me through all this shit. Orobas. Yes the prince. Heā€™s never left me.

Now I need a rest.

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If I may also give my view, @Mike_Bee:

I tend to agree in a way with @Mike_Bee on offerings, but I also believe it has an effect in practice. In my practice, I use offerings and the environment as a way of better drawing the spirit to me and letting their power be more manifest in my space. In my celestial practice, whenever I call on one of the celestial spirits I make sure to light an amount of candles that is appropriate to the spirit, and a incense that is appropriate to the spirit. I also try to dress with clothing that is appropriate to the spirit, as much as I can and when I can for the ritual.

This, in my view, is about making the area appealing to them, and allowing them to more powerfully manifest into the space. This goes deeply into occult philosophy regarding Spirit but also Air, which is related to Spirit, connecting all things together. For this reason I would not do a ritual with the celestial spirits if I do not have an incense prepared.

So, it is about power, and how things of one nature are drawn to things of the same nature. When a man is born with the Solar or Martial qualities strongly embodied within him, is he not drawn to places of great power, and instruments and acts that allow him to exert his power over others? Spirits are similar in that they are drawn to the things that relate to their nature.

For this reason, the exalted ancient sages who were experts in this art constructed a small building for the purpose of whatever magickal work they were about to accomplish in this way, dressing the walls with an appropriate colour and filling it with herbs appropriate to the spirit they were calling on, and dressing in an appropriate way, wearing the appropriate instruments.

Now, I donā€™t see this as the practice of an offering or a gift. It is more about Power and Attraction, rather than expressing gratitude. So the ancient sages at times also sacrificed an animal of an appropriate nature relating to the spirit or deity. I find this unethical and uncessary, so I would never advise that. However, in my practice I currently do not give gifts as they are not required, but I am always sure to thank the spirits and be grateful to them.

For the Norse Gods, I tend to give a drink as a gift, or at other times a drawing, and have given gifts of food. In the past I called this an offering, but as my practice has evolved I now declare and consider it a gift, instead of an offering. There is no need to ā€œpayā€ the gods for what we request, but gratitude goes a long way.

From @anon4083462ā€™s post, I wonder if spirits are more drawn to physical gifts if they are closer to the elements, which does make sense.

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We know in the Hermetic Qabalah that Malkuth is shown as 4 parted, every quarter being an element. I wouldnā€™t be suprised at all.

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7-11-22 129am

Spirit of the day

Awesome love spirit. Smooth operator.

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7-12-22 350pm

Today was the chill day I wanted it to be. I might go to Manila tomorrow. Weā€™ll see.

I have received my first work from Duke Murmur. A close friend has a family member that passed and Iā€™m going to help them get closure with spirit work.

This is EXACTLY what Murmur has been working with me towards.

I feel honored I can participate in something so personal and meaningful. This is the kind of necromancer I am to be. It feels right.

I really thought I was an abject failure at this but Iā€™m not, every step of the way Murmur has had a plan. This is amazing.

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Do you have any post here about your experiences with Belial ? If yes , can you link it ? thanks in advance

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I think so in my previous journal. Let me dig something up if I can for you.

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@Stan_Andrei I couldnā€™t find it Iā€™m sorry I didnā€™t have the patience.

I can tell you about the limited experience I have had with him.

We had a group project in the now defunct order of the black horse. I was assigned to work with belial. I couldnā€™t meet the demands of the agreement we reached and he was furious. I had to paint him a picture to remedy the situation.

Hereā€™s the painting I did to recover from my mistake with king Belial

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7-13-22 322 am

Spirit of the day

Shax

Shax is a sneaky, slinking in the dark kind of spirit. He steaks or fetches whatever is asked. He has the power to act on a personā€™s psychic senses and put them in a state of black out. I routinely employ shax to blind, bind, deafen and stun my enemies before I make my main magickal attacks. Perhaps I shouldnā€™t tell all my secrets here Hahahahaha.

Today weā€™ll be performing djinn magick. A ritual for abundance. Check out my other journal.

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That is a gorgeous lamp. Iā€™m curious about 1 thing, is it for show or could it be lit if you needed to light a lamp (Iā€™ve been a bit busy so am catching up on reading you but cramming the catch up all in one I might have missed if you said whether it was functional before) in my speed read the entries to catch up thing I do if threads get too far ahead of me (if you already answered that sorry for missing it and asking am already answered question. I donā€™t recall seeing it answered though).

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No this is only for decorating but it is brass

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7-13-22 626 am

I had a very hostile exchange with an Rhp fucktard on another forum this this morning. He tried to browbeat and insult me and borderline threatened me. He seems to be a learned RHP Kabbalist.

Well guess what bud, you got the right one this time Mfā€™er.

I very aggressively gave it to him. Just what he was asking for. If there was one more word out of this Mfā€™er even one more word Iā€™d have lost my shit and introduced him to Sitra Ahra and the wrath of the 72. I was not pleased.

First off I donā€™t like or agree with the RHP, itā€™s philosophy, itā€™s methods, itā€™s goals, itā€™s anything about it. My philosophy is the polar opposite of what thier philosophy enshrines.

And I can smell weakness, I smell RHP kedusha weakness. Makes me want to wild the fuck out in my temple and really tear him a new one with my curses and spirits.

I was fucking hot.

Iā€™ve calmed down now and the RHP knight in shining armor decided to shut the fuck up at just the right time. Apparently God looks after drunks and foolsā€¦

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The Evocation of President Camio

I had an emergency this morning with our pet dog, she was acting weak and sick and strange.

I did a divination and discovered there was a negative entity parasite in her.

I called president camio to assist with her healing.

Excellent ritual.

Now a trip to the vet is in order.

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Hehe, one of my favorites is to remove their shields/defenses quietly. Then, I partially evoke them enough to be able to quietly grab some energy. Then I offer this.energy to shadow people and let them do their thing. If their defenses come back up, rinse and slowly repeat.

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Dude this was real close to smote ville. Thatā€™s a good plan of attack by the way. I may use that next timeā€¦:thinking:

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