Talisman to force astral projection for doing spells

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Did you try the search - it’s common question and had a lot of opinions on whether it’s even possible.


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Hi , yes I searched for it for about an hour or so because I was really determined to find something that could help me in my magical journey, I’ve been doing magic for about 2 in a half years now I’ve got the inspiration from the black pullet then I’ve moved on the Taoist magic then the key of Solomon and other books such as the shams Al maarif

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Ok, so what was wrong with all those answers then? There’s no point us repeating them if you already read them and discarded all those ideas.

Like this one, or the astral skills collection thread? Or Agares? …

Oh no no I’ve read it now but when you replied I just read the top 4 sentences then replied to you


I’ve been doing the techniques for 3 days with no luck I’ve search on here but everyone says meditation or you can force it by invoking a demon but there missing the guide

Yeah it’s not easy, but with trying every day it does come more an more. Not even Raduga who teaches that seminar can get out every day and he tried almost every day of every week, or used to I don’t know what’s going on with him these last years.

Being forced out according to the info in the linked posts can be traumatic though, so you might want to be prepared for that. I think maybe 3 days is a bit soon to go Rambo on it…

Ahm, a good keyword to know for this forum is “tutorial”, there are some things called guides but that’s a more commonly use search term here.

Here’s a good one:

… and that’s also linked from:

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Thanks for your info

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I looked at your old comments does working with Thalos good??

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I don’t know, I’ve never worked with a Thalos to know who that is, sorry.

Did you work with any spirits from the kof at least?

Satagraal primarily. But not on this issue - the content for that is off topic for this issue but you can find a post or two I made about him here from years ago. We a did a forum group working that was fun if uneventful.

Yea I saw the forum that’s Wy I ask you in the first place, so I’ve made the sigil and I don’t really know how to activate it should I gaze into it like normal sigils?

Hi MrMagic0,

I advice you to perform one time astral projection by yourself, without talisman. And forge a talisman with your experience. Vulcain or Ares can help you with their forge skills. But it is better to have your own experience of Astral. Because bad experience equal bad results. So you forge your good experience and you forge the update with your next experience and so on. I don’t know really Astral projection but It is said there are some probleme of bad return. So you should avoid that.


How do I open there sigils??

I know a lot of spirits to get me out of my body but I just don’t know how to open the sigil

Here is the technique:

Thanks that was the only thing I needed

I’m now trying to work with Satagraal does he have a een to call him?

No, just use the sigil in the book.

Enns are specific to the religion of Demonolatry - worshiping demons, Personally I never use them, on the principle that I’m allergic to religious thinking. It give me jip.
Maybe the religious minded will get around to inventing an enn for him sometime, but I hope not and I still won’t use it.

Is there another way to open the sigil instead of gazing on it?