Hey there!
So I recently signed up on this forum and i already talked about my experiences regarding moloch in my introduction thread so I will link it for everyone‘s better understanding: Introduction + Some guidance please - #3 by Moloch.is.God
Anyways, during the last few months I began to delve into ancient Semitic/Canaanite/Babylonian religions and I noticed that some of these gods brought up a specific feeling I can’t really explain. With Ishtar/Astarte I had this warm, loving feeling for example.
But no other god had that strong of a impact on me as MOLOCH or MOLECH or BAAL (I guess he’s a god of many names). He began to randomly pop up in my head (more specific the image of his idol where the people sacrificed their children to him) and I just can’t stop myself from thinking about him. Also I catch myself saying his name randomly sometimes.
So I would just like for some of you to explain to me:
Would it be dangerous to contact this god without any knowledge of magic?
Do y‘all have had similar experiences where a diety just occupied your mind?
Yes, it would be dangerous. That is why the experienced members here tell people to meditate, practice energy-manipulation and all that good basic stuff.
That you’ll have to find out, no one knows the reason as to why he would call you. So good luck
Moloch doesn’t normally have a special interest on people except those who are rich, own a big company, are team leaders or work as a surgeon or doctor, chief-nurses in Hospitals or similar institutions especially abortion.
I’m not aware of Moloch and Ba’al being the same entity. Ba’al and Baalzebul/Beelzebub maybe.
Would it be dangerous to contact this god without any knowledge of magic?
Magick is a hands-on practice. How will you learn if you don’t try?
It could be dangerous, unlikely but not impossible - decide if you are too afraid to take a risk, and then then do it or don’t.
Do y‘all have had similar experiences where a diety just occupied your mind?
Several deities have come to me. It’s up to you if you want to answer.
There’s a big difference between agreeing to work with them, and just having a conversation though.
Be your own man, ask the deity your questions, then make up your own mind.
This is the way of the mage - do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law - love is the law, love under will. I.e. The nature of will is love. If you love your god, let your will be your guide.
Aka - what do you want to do? Do that.
Why does he want me? I’m a person who isn’t fond of violence and I would never sacrifice a child (But maybe MOLOCH know more about me than I do)
I could see the possible similarity between Moloch and Ba’al. Moloch was originally prounounced in Hebrew as Melekh, which means “king”, and his consort was believed to be Ashtoreth, who was also Ba’als. Moloch is also originally an Ammonite deity, not Canaanite. What we could be observing if a deity from one group of people being adopted into another group.
There is also debate about whether or not the child sacrifice to Moloch actually occurred. There is some believe that the phrase “Passing your son through the fires of Moloch” was a form of baptism/cleanse in the name of Moloch, not actual sacrifice, that was later demonized to try to steer people away from his worship. Later Greek writers could have embellished the “ritual” based off of a similiar practice with Cronus that they would be more familiar with.
Hello everyone, i was wondering if anyone here who closely works with Moloch could share some advice for working with him. Every time i want to work with him its kinda inconsistent or he doesnt want to fully show up. Like half a year ago i truely was obsessed with Moloch, i tried to summon him for days but i couldnt make it work, didnt feel no energy or changes, so i kinda moved on to working with Belial, it was the first time i felt like a spirit refused me or i couldnt figure out how to call onto him. Anyways recently i called onto him at the gym to give me strength and i offered that workout to him, but i did it shortly and didnt feel much change. That being said the gym almost burned down two days later, im not associating it with Moloch himself but its strange. Later on i performed one of VK jehannums spells that is associated with Moloch and he showed up to me, i felt his energy and it felt very strong and nice. I didnt know what spirit it was so i asked him and in my minds eye i saw a brass bull sitting on a throne, then felt a heat on my cheek. Now i got inspired and i tried to call onto him, performed an entire ceremony with offerings and im not sure if i felt much of energy if any, the ritual felt very unique and it definitely had a vibe tho. I dont know what am i doing wrong here. any suggestions
I’m not sure there’s such a god, and it’s not a mistranslation from "molock sacrifices’ which were the most extreme kind of sacrifice made when death was the alternative, like when the tribe was facing immanent destruction from war, disease or famine, and they were basically begging for thier lives.
So this moloch could be an egregore made from this misunderstanding. Which would explain why it’s hard to reach and talk to.
Here’s the history of it, from the perspective of a practicing academic scholar and occultist - I haven’t watched this in months so I don’t recall the whole thing fully, but if you’re into moloch generally it’s interesting anyway.
Far as I know, Moloch was another deity belonging to a different tribe of Semites or Caananites-what information we do know about them in the bible is the same as any of the other gods at the time and that was that they were demonised by YHWHs followers and as such, were written to be seen as inferior.
They would describe Moloch as a god who would usually require a living sacrifice and was depicted as a Bull.
My info on him is quite loose as I haven’t studied up on him in particular when I would study the different bronze-age gods of the levant.
He goes over that in the video essay. What i find interesting about that is the association with the progression of zodiac signs in the ages - Taurus the age of the Bull, Then the Age of Pisces and now the Age of Aquarius.
This is partly why I thing the magic for these ages also changes - what worked in the ages were predominately Taurean or Piscean energy worked best, may not continue to be appropriate in the Age of Aquarius. I don’t think I’d want to be around for the Age of Aries though
I find that funny considering my sign is Greek zodiac sign is Taurus. I don’t know if my work is “Taurean” by nature though. I think my work tends to reflect more of the serpent in the Chinese Zodiac.
I dont think anyone would want to be in the age of Aries but who knows.
Just did a ritual with Sargatanas, and i instantly could feel his energy all over my body within the first few minutes, idk, maybe somebody can give me some input, do some spirits have different more subtle energies. Some of these invocations leave me energized and some make me tired the next day and usually sick in the stomach, probably related to Central nervous system, and then theres the third option of nothing happening
Different spirits resonate Different energies. That being said, if it makes you feel sick then its probably not a spirit you summoned and likely a parasite. An aquatic spirit will feel like the ocean or a body of water, an Earthly spirit will feel strong like the earth, aerial spirits will feel very very subtle. Like a shift in the wind.
I put it like this, does the energy give off an “ick” feeling? If so, its likely parasitic and feeding off of your energy.
Some energies feel cold like ice but that doesn’t mean that its a bad entity-Jotunns usually feel quite cold to me. Of course, the only jotunar ive interacted with are Loki, Fenrir and Hel.
If it leaves you feeling energised, then I think its more after your interaction, it has caused your own energy to flow stronger while the ones that make you feel tired, are usually signs that in working with their energy, you have then allowed your own energy to relax or have used too much of your own energy which leaves you feeling tired.
That also being said, what does that have to do with your original post on the thread about Moloch?
Definitely, and thier effect on you can also depend on he working. Magickal fatigue is also a thing.
I did a baneful ritual with Mot, a god of death on Monday, and have been tired for a couple of days. If I cultivate qi I am fine again for a few hours and it’s getting better, but I ran a lot of energy of a type I’m not totally used to, and Mot was a very strong presence who is still with me a little, so I’m adapting.
That’s how I feel with the goetia I’ve worked with. Prior to binding and even after, Shax had a heavy presence in the Ajna. Back then I had a reaction of “oh no he’s blinding me!” But upon acceptance, it wasnt “he’s blinding me!” It was, “his energy, its awareness! It’s my awareness!” I had to adapt to it because I had never felt that much energy in the Ajna before-perhaps, because in what I thought was “awarness” I was never really, “aware”.
Other energies I had gotten used to like with Freyja, it was always warmth and flushness in the cheeks.
hello thank you for your input. I mentioned energies because when i try to contact Moloch, i get none of the mentioned, literally no energy in the air, no windy feelings no nothing
Update - since then, I have discovered that Bael or Baal most probably refers to Ba’al Hadid.
Ba’al is Sumerian for “Lord” and not a name at all.
Similarly, Ba’al Zebul is Beelzebub - Lord of All Can Fly. Every Sumerian City had it’s own deity or Ba’al.
My guess is, it got shortened for Bael the same way the Christians just call thier god “the Lord” - because there’s only one so all the other Els (Elohim is plural for El) and Lords don’t count any more.
So, Moloch is not Bael, and wasn’t Sumerian he was Canaanite so might not be linguistically sensible to give him a Sumerian title. And possibly not actually a god but a form of extreme sacrifice in times of dire need, mistranslated from Canaanite “Moleck/Molech sacrifices” - per the scholarship of ESOTERICA on yt, it’s a Hebrew word and not the name of a deity. (Video link in other posts)
The moral of the story: Do your research and find out the actual history or be led up the garden path.
but that’s just speculation
