I have speculated a little.
Can a misandrist work successfully with male spirits?
And can a misogynist work successfully with female spirits?
Do spirits judge on feelings and beliefs about the opposite gender?
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Haters won’t last long when meeting a female spirit.
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I don’t actually see the spirits as male or female… that is a nevessity of biology, and they’re not physical, so out doesn’t really make sense to me to assign biological sex.
What I do get is yin and yang energy in relation to the operator, which your mind can interpret as sex. Kind of like how flowers are often depicted as female in cartoons but they usually have both sets of genetalia.
So it would be kind of weird to go, “i hate yang energy I won’t work with it “, seems very self defeating… the sun is yang compared to the moon, where are you going to draw the line?
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I think if this is even a question worthy of worrying about, I would as a misandrist or misogynist stick to everything being transactional in nature. No relationship other than business only.
I’d imagine they might have some thoughts of their own regarding gender. Plus, it really depends on what you think makes someone either of those terms. There have always been people who like to throw around defaming terms towards people who inconvenience or discredit them.
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Some spirits have showed themselves differently. For instance some have experienced Astaroth as male while other as female. Has that something to do with the projecting yin and yan?
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Yes, and also what the operator wants to see. People project a lot. Sometimes the spirits will try for an image that aligns with expectations to help communication.
So if you don’t like humans, there’s no real reason any of them have to be visualised as human. Balls of light, dragons, traditional chimeric creatures, these are good too.
Interesting question. I think if you are going to communicate with an entity that symbolically have a male/female/nb/whatever type of energy, and you hate that energy, it’s not a good idea to get involved with that entity. For example, a misogynist will surely have trouble communicating properly with Lilith, because there are so many symbolic, spiritual, and even historical implications to it.
I think it’s not even a political issue. Magic is a holistic concept and spiritual creatures are intelligent, they can notice everything.
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You could always ask them to appear gender neutral or in a form like the Ardhanarishvara Shiva that’s half and half then it’d be hard for ya to hate cuz your mind would be too busy trying to sort it out (of course that could hinder your magick but if you really have gender issues as a last resort you can always try that anyway if a spirits visual gender appearance is an issue).
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Or the two can put gender issues aside, be adults, and conduct business or build a relationship.
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Ya that’s the best choice.
Still the Ardhanarishvara Shiva is quite the interesting visual concept
Add: I think interesting enough to derail the hate for a given gender (since it’s both and neither simultaneously).
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As long as the misandrist/misogynist is respectful towards said spirit, yes.
Nope.
I can only speak from my own experience with working with the angels and infernal spirits and Goetic spirits. I haven’t worked much with gods in 20 years and my experience there is limited.
Here’s what I think.
Spirits can usually know most things they want to know about a practicioner just by reading the practioner like a book. I’ve had spirits startle me with how much info they had about my past, my agendas, my thoughts about things. But here’s the thing. I really don’t think spirits give a rats ass what we think about most things in general.
If a misogynistic practicioner tried to disrespect a “female” spirit ( especially infernal or Goetic) they’d get checked real fast. I think @Mulberry is right about spirits not having an actual gender per se. I think we project onto the spirits forms that we understand. We read alot about spirits like King Bael and he is obviously a he. Many people find queen Beleth to be a she ( but not everyone) but these are just forms that the spirit is popular for taking.
I think for sure a disrespectful attitude or beligerent behavior towards this class of spirit would be met with rejection and possibly hostility. The spirits definitely understand the concept of respect and if they don’t feel like the respect levels are where they should be they’ll certainly let you know.
Mostly though I don’t think the spirits really care much about how we feel, what we think, what our prejudices and biases are though.
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Those spirits I have summoned are some I never have expected to appear in a specific form. I only request that they takes a shape that does not invoke fear in me.
I don’t think misandrists and misogynists literally hate the male or female. I think their bias or hatred is based on what personality they see the opposite gender has in common.
If we take Lillith for instance. A hateful anti-feminist or misogynist invoke Lillith for asking her for advice would she help him if he shows respects and gratitude towards the spirit?
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@Kristian , in my opinion that hateful militantly misogynistic practicioner asking Lilith for guidance or assistance is a little strange. If the practicioner were really that hateful towards women kind in general why would he want her to help him.
But for the sake of answering you directly let’s assume he did reach out to Lilith…
Lilith is absolutely not a joke, or a lightweight spirit. She is very very powerful.
If the misogynist somehow managed to keep it together and be very respectful during his interaction with her I’d say there “probably” won’t be any problems. Probably, I’d think her reaction to him would be based on what she knows of him and his behavior towards her. That’s my opinion. I could be wrong.
I personally as a rule am very respectful and diplomatic with spirits in general. I’d be especially careful with her however.
I think he would if he was interested in the practice of vampirism which is her area of knowledge. I have not heard about male demons associated with vampirism.
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Mmmn duke Murmur and marquis amon , possibly Earl Bifrons…
Read sphere two of the initiation ritual. You’ll see Amon mentioned there directly. Sphere Two is Gamaliel where Lilith is a Goddess.
But yes I agree with you Lilith would be an excellent choice to impart this knowledge. I’m just saying there are other spirits who teach necromancy and vampirism, however I agree with you about Lilith being a heavyweight champion of the art.
The real question then is if she would be honest to him? Personally, when I summon spirits I do it under the request “be truthful in your answering”. I therefore presume that if the spirit would not be honest it would simply not come as I use offerings with incense to attract it instead of commands.
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