Is or was Lilith an Angel or not?

[Anassa]

Yeah preferably here. Would be better if we could keep the threads off fanfic/random questions.

Lilith and the four angels of Sacred Prostitutions

In Zoharistic Qabalah, Lilith is one of the “four angels of prostitution”, who mates with Samael, her fellow succubi sisters who are also angels of sacred prostitution, are Agrat Bat Mahlat, Naamah, and Eisheth. According to Zohar Kabbalah text, there are four women, who mated with the archangel Samael: Lilith, Agrat bat Mahlat, Eisheth Zenunim, and Naamah. Three were said to have already been fallen angels, while one was a mortal women who fled the Garden of Eden, as a demon due to whispering …

[Falllenangelicstan96]

lol

[Prophet]

Cool.

@Lady_Eva could we scooch these replies into that thread please?

[NeoFightTheNyophite]

Its amazing how Lilith makes people argue so much.

[ReyCuervo]

I’m sure it wasn’t Lilith. Just saying.

[Prophet]

She’s one of the most respected entities of this forum. I think that’s why.

[Falllenangelicstan96]

Well Lilith is the baddest women around

[DarkestKnight]

Yes, really.

Now, I can understand where the whole “fallen angel” idea comes from, because in the Zohar, Lilith is described as having wings and acting with God’s permission (just as Samael does) so I think some people assume that means she was an angel. However, the wings are simply due to her mythology evolving from that of the Babylonion Llilit and Llilitu, two demons of air that strangled children (the Lilit was male and the Lillitu female) in the night, and were said to be winged.

I should point out also that Naamah was originally said to be a half human aspect of Lilith, not her sister, and thus was known as Naamah-Lilith.

Source: Disarticulating Lilith: by Sharonah Esther Fredrick

Here’s where you can find the academic paper, which discusses the role of Lilith in Judeo-Spanish, Babylonian, and Hebrew writings:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311105103_Disarticulating_Lilith

[Falllenangelicstan96]

Wow, You just prove my case, just a little

[Prophet]

How?

[DarkestKnight]

@Falllenangelicstan96

You just prove my case

Like I said, you don’t have a clue. I just blew your case out of the water by proving beyond all doubt that Lilith has NEVER been an angel. She has always been a winged demon.

[Falllenangelicstan96]

the other guy just said, he get where people would thought Lilith were a fallen angel according to the source he found

[Prophet]

That doesn’t prove anything.

[DarkestKnight]

@Prophet He seems to equate having wings with being an angel, even though wings have been used to represent the element of Air since ancient times. The Babylonian demon Pazuzu and both the Lliit and Lilitu were depicted as having wings though.

[Falllenangelicstan96]

ok, so she always been a winged demon, who happened to be a succubus. My bad I admit I have lost.

[DarkestKnight]

@Falllenangelicstan96

who happened to be a succubus.

Actually, no. The wanton sexuality was a later addition to her mythology. She was originally a temptress, whose “job” it was to try and lead the righteous from the path of God (she, like Samael, had God’s permission for this). This did not necessarily mean sex, but tempting by wealth, or prestige, you know, the sins. Samael’s job was to test the righteous through tribulation.

[Prophet]

@DarkestKnight

Actually, no.

Beat me to it. xD

[NeoFightTheNyophite]

Thats me right now

[anon10524665]

@Tekidor

Angel’s are super duper RHP

No they’re not, they don’t give a damn about RHP and LHP.

[Falllenangelicstan96]

You can’t just give me a win? Then what were Lilith if anything else, what type of entry is she?