just in case we want to chat up in pvt about stuff lol, otherwise its whatev
yes genesha is my friend to 
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then stick with Ganesh, he is the obstacle remover
So Shiva is the destroyer / absolver in Hinduism. The bad luck youâre experiencing could be something you need to clear out. If itâs emotional like anxiety then itâs something you need to work through.
If itâs physical harm then stop using the prayer all together.
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and has anyone thought that maybe they doing this to tell op that it is not his path, and to go to other paths
hanuman is also good
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One of the best imo
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oh ok.
I thought that to but it was more like bad opportunities and fighting with friends and relatives
Dunno, they tried to kill the OP, isnât it a little extreme? They could have given them a dream or something instead of accidents and other unpleasant events
I read the whole thread and it sucks man. But it is what it is, just stop contacting the goetia for your needs and things should be fine
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second it.
im not excusing it, but didnt op keep trying to work the goetia even after being hurt a couple?
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True but Bune seems to be an exception
So I guess it really depends on the spirits. Still, Itâs pretty harsh. Thatâs why you should not offer blood to the spirits when you first contact them lol
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wellâŚive never had an issue with the Infernals ive worked with, Lucifer actually helped me in amazing ways
but that doesnt mean i didnt have demons hurt me in past or rather entities that can be considered demons, i know that if a being hurts me when i first try contact and hurts me bad, i stop there, might push through once, but twice hurt is the limit
oh and by the way the demons that tried to hurt me i never even initiated contact
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How would you know this ? Have you invoked a spirit before or even evoked or summoned? Donât trash why you donât know.
Okay first off seems like your really mad at Astaroth and âHEâ isnât bs. He is a human being and technically if you are calling them in a hostile state of mind you get what you get. This man has never hurt me and I see the truth that the world even discriminates against them. If you have such an issue stay out of the spirit world. Change your attitude because honestly if in fact you did call these men and were disrespectful then you need a lesson in life and so far the one for your hateful butt got delivered. You disrespect the 1st Hierarchy and have no idea that the 72 are a team and have more then you think and your life wasnât taken means count your blessings and shut your mouth. Be grateful they didnât actually fully hurt you but they took the higher road one you may not follow on due to the ignorance please go ask them because this is my opinion. Have respect and if you want to work with people nothing is free and if you canât understand then Look up cause and effect go back to the world everyone lives in to get by.
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I stated I read that in reddit my experience with astaroth is mixed I was trying to contact astarte via venus painting she was loving afther wards astarte I think gave me a lesson about laziness which wasnt bad overal good experience I didnt do anything particular Astarte is a godess.
also you dont know my story I worked with
lilith lucifer belial azazel tried king paymon belial sitri gremory Lucifuge glasia labolas I am waiting for results till this day zepar bael a little bune marbas Amdusias* I consider these more dark side others are angels and othe religions
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Ok I had to stop reading to respond to this. My good friend, sadly it doesnât exactly work like that. I respect everyone has different beliefs but in my opinion; If you have a deep connection or possibly a pact or something that binds you to that being(s) then it will follow you some how to this life. I for one experience this very much this life. So letâs say you kissed (pissed lol omg 
)off a goddess for example, in this life if you try to get hold of her well what you expect? There is plenty of people that suffered from past life tramas or stuff in this life like the witch trials (yes I brought that up.) Just because your conscious mind does not remember doesnât mean it didnât happen and nor does it mean your soul is scott free.
I am sorry that you experienced this and to no offense what made you just want to summon 40 demons anyways? I suggest just focus on what is working for you right now and focus on healing what ever it is that is making this happen. I am a person that I canât say they are innocent snow flakes but same time knowing them as I do, the only time I saw them remotely to the point of acting like this is because the person them self is in conflict or did something that resorted to this.
I myself had experiences that wasnât good with some gods in the past that many would look at me with two heads. I had a goddess chase me with hatchets through this city ruines. I even had angels trying to âget me over their sideâ and even as of late had negative experiences with them. Not one being is pure innocent. Human kind has put masks on a lot of these beings, picking ones they like while demonized the ones they donât like.
But not everyone is ready or ment to work with these beings. They are not for the faint of heart and a lot will through stuff in your face and they give you two choices either shake it off and stand strong or run out the door. Thatâs one the things that attracted me to them. But everyone is different and I respect that :3 We all need balance.
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Any unspoken tension between you and them? Some deities bring that tension to the surface to let it out. Ares did that for me when an ass at my college kept pestering me.
In my experience, Astarte and Astaroth are different entities. Everything went wonderful while I worked with Astarte and when I worked with the other entity, things were less pleasant.
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