Experienced Magicians Debunk "Selling Your Soul"

I might be interested…

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:stuck_out_tongue:

Hahahaha.
^^

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I wonder what is @anon47923162 's opinion on this as he is deeply into Franz Bardon’s work and Franz Bardon clearly states that selling one’s soul IS REAL.

Franz Bardon is probably the most important occultist in the last century in the west, so can’t take his opinion lightly.

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“Real” and “advisable and worthwhile” are two completely different things.

Selling your soul for all eternity because of a hormonal crush that would fade by next month is some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard, and if the spirit owns your soul, how do you enforce breach of contract?

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probably will be done by the same law that allowed thing like that to happen and prevented the ‘Demon’ or entity from not dragging your soul even before you went in to occult or knew him.

There are many laws in existence, weird mystical ones. not just the four fundamental laws of physics.

SO you do consider the possibility that it may be real. Strange coming from U. Most here don’t.

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Pacts are real, I did a topic on them, pacts for stupidly disporportionate things are also real, it stands to reason. :man_shrugging:

The thing is beginners only hear about this stuff and think it’s a pre-req, when historically, shamans and other people who worked with spirits and developed personal power to make changes didn’t sell anything in this kind of manner. It’s weak and dumb unless people want to be made bigger bitches than any religion is going to make you.

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Selling ones soul according to Bardon and from what my observations confirm so far is done by means of vibration and resonance. With your invitation you basically allow the spirit to bombard you with its energy and vibration through focused interaction usually to achieve the goal of the contract and as any somewhat experienced magician knows vibrations of energy are infectious. Areas pick up a certain resonance by those that live there for a long time or external influences and then others pick up on that energy and are themselves influenced.

We also know that people often take on traits of those they hang around with both desirable and undesirable if they are not careful and see it also applies to spirits they work. Some the longer they work with a being take on personality traits or even develop new powers so long as the interaction is ongoing but that fade as soon as their work with the being ends and they start to change back.

Now with that said by making such a pact with a being or even interacting normally with a being or certain class of beings too heavily without intentionally balancing your energy out you become attuned to them and a living focal point they can manifest around or stand you their powers as you become similar enough to them to easily channel their abilities or perhaps that part is some strange quantum entanglement stuff on the astral. When one dies their spirit is inevitably unable to exist without being called anywhere outside of their own level of vibration. Which is why you have often references to multiple heavens and hells. You can go down in vibration easily enough to interact briefly but unless called and given an area friendly to you in a higher vibration area you cannot ascend until by thought and action you raise your state high enough to do so and this is normally done through reincarnation. So you become part of a certain realm and just follow the rules if those realms. This usually means your energy and efforts are enlisted in service to whatever beings hold dominion there until your vibrations reset enough that they can’t hold you and you leave if you choose. Now in general this is not necessarily a bad thing just a natural part of how the laws exist and to be regarded as a learning experience if it does happen. The majority of spirit classes do this from what I figure from demons to angels and elementals.

Now depending on the being the deal is with it is usually a willing deal where you agree to serve a x amount of time in that beings realm as payment of debts. You normally see this type of deal also in bargains for knowledge and power where in order to receive the full training you must live and serve under the being. Similar to how apprenticeships to temples and monasteries work just the training is scheduled after your death and you take the knowledge and power gained into your next life after your term is complete. This can also be accomplished while still alive through methods of dream and astal projection.

As for enforcement of the pact there are several methods. The primary is that ones word and invitation when sworn in a magical sense becomes law and cannot be violated without repercussion. In this case it is according to the literal letter of the deal and what you swore and is not necessarily binding depending on terms. The more heavily binding part the ensures the being gets what it wants and not a misinterpretation is how you are through constant work with the being and it’s energy and power impregnated with its vibration binding you to it if you cannot change your vibrations in time. This usually works as a method of entrapment as power and energy can of course be addictive and it seems they progress much faster and gain much more with the pact and the entity’s power than by their own work. This is compounded by the fact that as their energy changes some skills and spells they had worked before will no longer work without the beings help or influence. This is due to many spells and techniques relying on the casters energy at the time and with such drastic change it has to be recalibrated. This normally isn’t a problem as it happens gradually but in such an intense pathworking it happens to fast to adapt too without a lot of experience or outside help. So it then seems all the magician’s abilities are tied into the contract and trying to leave will strip them off their power.

Now breaking out if it varies depending on deal and the being involved some will be perfectly upfront about and you won’t mind spending a century or two working in their realms and others are just assholes. The important thing to remember is the level and resonance of your vibration at time if death determines where your spirit will end up so if you can keep that where you want despite best efforts to the contrary and then while you must still fulfill your word you do not have to stay in the beings level of existence but easily pay it off more as a free operator pulling favors.

Overall not really a bad thing for some and those early magicians will often have to serve under the service of many beings even without deals just because they have say a favorite spirit to work and they don’t take proper measure to manage their own energy so they find themselves with them after death for a time and can usually learn something to help them in the next life. The real danger is when you get bound up with truly low beings like true demons as I would define them which deserve their evil reputation and are different than many that are labeled demons or get hooked in by more powerful parasites and such deceptive beings. I can sort of guarantee for instance many on this forum will end up serving their favorite beings in death and probably don’t mind it all. In time though you grow to not really need such lessons anymore and learn to manage your energy to avoid that as you probably got your own plans that you don’t want delayed. Still doesn’t rule out vacations though.

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Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law! The Vortex of energy is powerful when people enjoy life, Light, love, liberty and wisdom. Liberty is the most important law and the luciferic energy in life and beyond.

Hail Lucifer :heart:
Love is the law, love under will :sunny:

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Very famous magicians like Dynamo are just showman. Many of Dynamo tricks are explained in YouTube.

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notice how magicians that are in for it,
to gain fame,
and produce shows,

lack freaking content?

how come,
playing cards,
and coins,
and hat’s with animals inside them,
are the standard image of magick in today’s hollywood sceme?

:wink:

Sin,

¥’B

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He isn’t that famous by the way. :wink:

He’s been doing a nice trick with the water walking,
thanks to plexy glass,
^^

:stuck_out_tongue:

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Well, I think we’ve all found ourselves out and about, wearing a top hat, and in desperate need of a rabbit to chat to? :man_shrugging:

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yeah, true,
but Zamael was such talkative,
i felt more like the wizard from oz,
unable to stop the spirits i’ve conjured. :stuck_out_tongue:

Sin,

¥’B

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Actually he is very famous and even is inspiration on my acquaintance magician.
He is doing great job as a showman. :smile:

Hah. Like this magician who summons a little duck:

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Due to a current private conversation,

I my attention was brought to this little nice piece.

And i wanted to give the voice forward. :blush:

Sincerely,

¥’Berioth

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I think it “i sold my sold” u tube to get pple to watch their episode or loke your glued to the show or lets ruffle fears abd scare the christian communities

From the debasement of truth through organised religions

Fancy fantacy linguistic twist to mean "i made a psct with an Interdimentional being who is the opposite to who /what you think is right aka “devilised”.