Do we have to reincarnate?

when we die do you think we can keep our free will and operate as higher self (if we are aware we are really not our bodies)???

i feel like alot of people will relate to their body and hang around earth and probably reincarnate.

so many spiritual teachers say we have to come back and learn lessons (even franz bardon who i really admire) he even says we get karmic disease in our next life if we do bad here etc… i dont want to put words in his mouth with what he said but it was similar… maybe thats just his belief.

i hope we can just go hang out in mental plane or something and build our own little heaven and invite our friends and visit their homes too.

why do we gotta reincarnate when countless beings dont even know what earth is or they choose to just stay non physical? from what i understand some of them never have even come to physical reality.

i really do not want to do kindergartern through 12 grade again… or be born into an abusive home and literally forget everything i know now. i am not like koetting where i can travel these realms and stuff but they sound a lot cooler and adventerous.

i dont want to work a 9-5 in my next life all over again just so i can get enough money yo eat.

maybe when we die we get so filled up with akasha we look at this place and figure its gonna be so easy. well at least for me it has not been and i dont want to repeat this over and over :frowning: what do you think???

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I think we reincarnate to avoid getting punished for the shitty things we have done

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gosh that seems so unfair though. who punishes us?? if we are all sparks of the same source. and who dictates what is “good and bad?”

something about the whole subject just stinks…

i know i choose to come here but maybe we have other choices??

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Yes. This is what enlightenment aims for. It’s the purpose behind getting to know yourself in as great a depth s possible.

When you really know yourself, to the point of remembering you you really are and your past lives as well as current psychology, you know why you’re here, and where you’re going. Whether, when you know that, you choose to reincarnate again is then up to you.

So, I call bullshit on this misuse pf the term “karma” - this is not what it means, and I think “learning lessons” is a poor way to put it.

I think what beings do, broadly in every kind of manifestation of being, is build experience. Experience can bring learning but not always and they’re not the same thing. So saying we’re all here learning is oversimplified imo.

What you have is emotional attachments and patterns of energy you built as you go, which make what you attract to you and the probability of people and places being around you greater or smaller. This steers your experiences, but it’s a misuse of the concept to imply karma is some kind of punishment, and mostly am abusers excuse to blame the victim, or the victim blaming themselves.

This is also experience though, so that’s also in your own purview to understand, know yourself and change if you choose. These are things you have not who you are, that is important to know.

So here:

You don’t have to. It’s also a valid experience to abandon whatever you’re up to here and do something else. But if you knew why you were doing it you might not choose to.

The issue here is knowing how. We get here, get a memory wipe and with that lose the knowledge of the techniques. We have to rediscover them though whatever drips and drabs of mystery school teachings were not obscured to get some clues, and a massive amount of personal exploration.

I discovered I came back after my last life was supposed to be my last incarnation as human already. I did it because of a love attachment to my husband who was taken from me too early, and I spent the rest of my life strongly manifesting that I “would do anything to get him back”. Including reincarnate apparently. That worked but was it worth it. No it’s a stupid emotional attachment that doesn’t play out the same in a new life - till death do us part is a phrase for a reason. But the person I was then was not a mage and didn’t know herself or any of this. I did it to myself.

Bottom line: know yourself. It’s a major hermetic principle and the key to the rest of all of it.

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Technically no, but there’s a lot of reincarnation traps and things that can trick you into coming back.

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According to some sources the white light after death is not freedom from the reincarnation cycle but actually drags u back here. U have to go to the darkness around the white light to the left or the right to actually free yourself.

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I heard, like, at least two occult authors sayin’ that in the white light, there’s entities that, like, eat the newly dead.

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From what I know the thing that they eat and destroy is the character/ego in this life and knowledge of it, etc. The thing that most practices aim to preserve after the first death. You still keep your consciousness and soul (since the soul is immortal), but instead of returning your consciousness back it just gets anchored into another body. For souled beings anyway.

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You say that “that worked”; do you mean that you got your husband back in this earthly incarnation?

Reincarnation is a very interesting topic… The main branches of Christianity and Islam do not teach it. Christians and Muslims represent more than half of the world’s population, so if reincarnation is true, it’s funny that that truth is so “hidden” from such a great part of the world’s population.

I read a few times that the first Christians believed in reincarnation, so that teaching was mostly occulted for a reason… Probably because reincarnation implies that one can escape Hellfire and have a new chance at life as a human, which implies that one doesn’t absolutely need to be baptized and have Jesus as one’s personal saviour to be saved, and this implies that one doesn’t need to follow the precepts of Christianity to be saved. If so, one doesn’t need the Church.

As for Islam, reincarnation implies that there is no need to follow the precepts of that religion either, and that’s probably the reason why Islam doesn’t teach it. In both cases, I say “probably” as there may be other reasons…

Some branches or offshoots of Judaism (like The Kabbalah Centre) teach reincarnation. Belief in reincarnation is widespread in Hinduism, Buddhism, and various other paths.

Yeah. That’s the bummer. “Forgetting” everything as we are born… Or some time before or after birth? I understand that some (many) memories could be traumatic, but still… And there is the pitfall of false memories during past life transgression…

To answer the OP’s question… I can’t give a definitive answer, but I’d be inclined to say no. The trick is, as you explain, to do much self-work in this incarnation so reincarnation is not absolutely necessary. It could still happen, but that would be a deliberate choice.

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thanks so much for the replies everybody. :slight_smile:

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Yes, and he’s just the same and we have the same issues as we had. Seems like I have an energetic imbalance around this and either being on Earth is the best and easiest way to get it resolved. I had changed my attitude and have so much more understand and more tools than I could have as a 1930-40s housewife, but I just wanted him back so badly I made it happen, there’s no real cleaver or spiritually enlightening aspect to it. I also wanted to know “did he ever really love me?” and the answer is yes… in his way. I see human romance as basically a form of insanity and I haven’t changed my mind. Pure devotion is not noble it’s self-destructive attachment to a delusion.

I was in intense pain, there was bleed-through into this life in many ways, though not really more or less than any other of the crazy bleed-throughs that have informed my personality and my life as a Grey I think still has the most impact on who I am as an entity.

I think Jesus taught it yes, which makes sense as he was trained in India, historian’s think. The only book with Jesus the Nazorean’s words was thrown out by the Catholics as they revamped Christianity in Judaism-lite as their best effort to destroy it and hide the enlightenment teachings.

They murdered the guy for teaching the truth, and as an insult to injury, replaced the symbol of Christianity from a fish to the instrument of torture they used to kill him - if that’ s not the in-your-face proof of how sick these people are I don’t know what is, they took all that away from us and laugh in our faces about it. It’s pure evil.

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I friend of mine wich helped me in my path, told me he “helped” some souls of death people getting out of astral realms such as christian hell
They exist because we know they exist, billions of people think of it everyday
I don’t know if I’ve been told the truth or not, but it make sense: somehow I think we go where we think we have to go, if we are sure we are not ready for what comes next, why not choosing the easy path? Why not choosing to stay here again?
Experiences teach us we are ready to go further… I’ve always wondered if past lives exist and who I was in my last live
Here in Italy there is a famous hypnotis, professor. Valmaggia: he didn’t only performed past lives, but also next lives
There was only one time a woman spoke about a fact no history books ever told, because nobody knew about it… it was about a famous persons (at the time) lover and how he betrayed her; historians went crazy and researched about it, revealing it was true, there has been a lover with the same characteristic
Talking about next lives, he mentioned, but didn’t want to talk until he was sure, that many people talked about leaving eart around a specific year… not everybody told the same year, but each one were very close to each other

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Can you please share with me which technique you used to remember the memories from your past life ?

Meditation with Intention. That’s it. Ask the question, to nobody in particular, and then sit quietly in trance and let what comes, come. “Ask and you shall receive” is not just for Christians. :slight_smile:

It helps if you already have any experience with shamanic journeying, guided meditation or astral travel, which are all pretty much the same thing. But mostly you need to let the impulses come and not judge them or try to analyze them, the conscious mind wants control so it gets in the way and is always wrong, just write whatever comes down and think about it later.

Check out the Core Shamanism tutorial if this is totally new, new, otherwise you already know how to do this if you let yourself: Core Shamanism Tutorial

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Thank you so much ! I tried the roomic tutorial that is posted somewhere here and I’ve done past life regression but it’s expensive . I will definitely try your suggestion :heart: Did you do any rituals to call on to your husband from that life time or happened by “ itself “ ( if it makes sense )?

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It happened by itself - dreams were the main info dump format. And I followed up with many meditations looking for other options, history, more data.
It’s a long story how I finally came around to accepting this explanation.

I’ll post it with a collapsible so it’s it here but easy to scroll past as it’s not totally on topic, but it’s the story of how I realized this living past life connection.

Long Story

I knew this person, met him on a dating site, pretty much dismissed him as not compatible. He’s a fuckboi, he’s not even warm, he was flaky, bitchy, histrionic and unstable - not hot, mostly annoying - so I dropped it and went with other contacts. Done, no questions asked, him and hundreds like him, nothing special, I did not get a whiff of energetic importance.

Well, that was fine for a good year, then for no reason (on my side), out of left field, I remembered him and could not get him out of my head, and then the recurring dreams started, of him needing help. All metaphorical stuff but leaving this huge feeling of anxiety and needing to know he was ok and I had to do something. And me going “I so don’t care about that dude wtf is this!?”. That went on for about 3 months before I caved and texted him. And yup, he needed help.

Turned out, at the time I remembered him 3 months prior, he had called out to the universe for help… “ask and you shall receive” means sometimes other people get called in, and sometimes “other people”, is you. Why me? Why not a hundred other dating site randoms? Didn’t know. I chalked it up to a common contact in Azreal and thought I’d maybe been recruited to help as I was available to hear and respond. Ok, that’s easy. The whole world is magick; I live by that. I just asked back that it didn’t cost me this time. My assumption may have been incorrect - there’s that conscious mind insisting on having it’s reasons again. :slight_smile:

So there I am in contact, again, and he says he’s fine, fine, and slowly realizing he’s not. The help I am called to give starts playing out. And then the dreams hit again… now, about the past, of this 1940s dude, how he died and when I learned about that death, from the POV of his wife.

So she was me, and her hubby (who for reasons known only to my subconscious) he looked like Jeff Bridges :joy: but I knew it was this dude. I recognized the energy signature of our spirits, albeit aggregate with different homo sapiens vessels.

Now, I tried to wiggle out of connecting this lady and me, mostly because this sucked and created a deeper relationship than I was up for. I don’t really “do” relationships, they’re always more drama and pain than they’re worth. Also seems a bit egotistical and I’m always saying dreams are mostly symbolic. But a) detailed death scenes about not-Jeff Bridges are a crappy metaphor for turning down a dating app contact, that’s just silly, and b) I just knew it in my bones, it’s like that sometimes.

It’s almost like, the old me was haunting the new me, like a ghost attachment can bring new addictions to you if the ghost is trying to get it’s fix by parasitizing a living human. I tried to banish it as a kind of intranquil spirit but that failed and didn’t really feel right - nobody cursed me, I couldn’t locate a spirit attachment - no random ghost of this woman still bent out of shape about hubby’s untimely death.

I did do my poppet spell, I have to update that spell again actually - this is the one “dissolve relationship working” that failed, and I know more about why now.

Thing is, you can’t really banish yourself. You can’t run away from yourself: you’re always right there. You can fragment and suppress parts of yourself, but actually resolving issues like that takes shadow work and integration, not rejection. Another way to consider it is as a “soul fragment” under shamanic principles - same idea though, needs integrating to deal with it.

… TL;DR, if you have tried everything to banish an idea, feeling or spirit haunting you, it might actually be a part of you you haven’t integrated yet, and that might be because it’s from a past life, so you experienced it through a different vessel, that was you and not you, and you didn’t integrate it fully the first time.

Some folks call this “karma” - a “karmic attachment” would be a valid label for this, I feel. I don’t usually use that word because it’s so badly misused, abusively so, elsewhere and I don’t want to be embroiled in that energy. But it is what it is, energy patterns exist and cause magnetic-like resonance and repulsion and attraction, affecting probabilities and sometime you can feel that very emotionally and viscerally.

What amazes me is a thought that, maybe, the reason I’m even here, when my last life was supposed to be my last life, (that was channeled by someone else but I agree) is because of my attachment from when I was “her”. Which means now I know the answer to “what the actual fuck am I even doing here!?”. “Karmic attachments” will do that to you, and I could not clear this one without doing this multi-life inner work.

Funny, because I bought into the “just declare all attachments null and void” a la Tom Montalk years ago, and it did feel better, but, I think, you actually have to know they exist to void them consciously. Karma is still optional, but you can’t fix an energy problem you don’t know you have.

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If you want I can tell you more about my situation in PM but I wanna be with my guy again :smirk:

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Some folks call this “karma” - a “karmic attachment” would be a valid label for this, I feel. I don’t usually use that word because it’s so badly misused, abusively so, elsewhere and I don’t want to be embroiled in that energy.

I personally like the concept of Samskaras (impressions from past karmas, where karma just refers to action for lack of a better word). Wisdomlib has some great explanations on the concept in both the positive and negative manifestations. My most prominent one was the same pattern in my life repeating over and over until I worked to deconstruct it and break the pattern. I had the exact same thing with that aspect of myself haunting over me, what worked for me was forcing myself to experience it again, understanding my past self’s POV but also this time acting in an entirely different way. Kind of like Neville Goddard’s revision technique but on a past life. It was appeased and “left” (I assume remerged?) and mentioned that it just wanted to help me avoid the same mistakes it did, just in a really ineffective way.

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i have heard similar things… and then i hear opposite stuff too. i think when i drop dead from this place im just gonna avoid the light. not out of fear but… there is a man named tom campbell hes a nasa nuclear phycisist who can obe at will and does a lot of investigating. someone asked him about the white light and he said somethings along the lines that the only reason alot of people see a white light or tunnel is because someone died… (nde) then they came back and told THEIR story. people hung on to that story and if they had an NDE they saw a white light tunnel too. so i think it kinda falls under a belief??

i think he mentioned alot of people who die here who at least know they are a spirit and have somewhat of an awareness say like “when i die i go here and i will do this. THIS is what i will experience”. and indeed that is what they experience.

so perhaps its what we believe and intend. maybe we dont gotta go through any tunnel. we can just say oh yeah im dead now im gonna go… here! and poof you are there with more freedom than ever. thats kinda how i think of it.

i think a lot of people who dont believe in anything at all… like we just die and poof… blackness forever … i think when they have NDEs and come back and talk about seeing jesus, or any other religious figure or even an experience of some kind of hell… i think since they have no belief… their subconscious or whatever has to grab on to something so they go with anything that exists on earth as far as beliefs and thats what they shall experience.

this is just my working theory… im a noob but it seems to be a common one with many advanced practicioners

so maybe we dont need a tunnel… a light… or any other metaphor of transition after we pass here. maybe we can just dictate where we go next and boom we are there just like some ghost manifestation. no tunnels or lights needed takes care of the whole wondering if one should go to the light deal…

i hope this helps someone :grin:

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