Yes, just to be clear I said the same thing: “while machiavellians do have [impulse control]”.
I see some of these tendencies as basic self protection, which everybody should have to some extent or they’d just be a doormat and other people would take advantage of and ruin them.
Oh, i misread what u said LOL. Anyway, back on topic.
Lol 
I just called unto Glasya labolas, I just came back from my ritual space and saw your message mentioning his name. I think he’s gonna do a great job.
Thank you @Darkprioties
I will surely give you guys updates after 14 days.
I think we should stop seeing spirits as persons.
Most of them (all of them?) are like conscious clouds of energy with particular directions.
When you perform magick/spirit summoning, you try to bring that cloud and direct it to support your work.
The cloud will come only if it recognizes its associations (sigil, incense, visuals, feelings, elements, planets, enns, hymns…)
When the cloud is here, the magician try to “handle it/tame it/contain it” until they manage to direct it to their goal.
The cloud doesn’t care what you do in your profane life. It will only react to things that vibe with or against it at the moment.
So your saying they are more like energy sources more than personified spirits?
Yes and no. To me they are like “programs” that act according to a certain logic.
Energy sources can still be seen as a cloud, but with no consciousness.
makes sense. So they’d still fuck u up if u mistreated them lool
My personal gnosis is that yes, they do and it varies among them just as it does with people. Because they tread the darker aspects of life, they do tend to be self serving and harness energy from people less discriminatly.
Explained to me by Sitri, because I asked them about demonic morality and ethics when discussing our working relationship to one another due to our first meeting years ago being from another practitioner sending them to work against me.
Instead of attacking me like they were sent to do, they ended up observing me for quite a while, decided they “liked” me better (more in tune spiritually, and a larger energy source than the other practioner) and to instead attack them and work with me.
It seems to be also, that even if they temporarily work with someone they do not actually vibe with for their own gain— that they will eventually tear that person’s life down along with whatever benefits that person thought they got out of them once they are done draining their energy.
It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of the really really bad people that are using the occult, are generally actually contacting impostor/ parasitic entities that are simply posing as demons.
it’s also worth mentioning that a lot of the really , REALLY bad people that are using the occult , are generally actually contacting impostor / parasitic entities that are simply posing as demons
yes ! that makes sense ! i thought the same thing ^^
It is very apparent to me after researching a lot of the more cultish sects of Satanism and Demonolatry that glorify really unspeakable acts.
They seem to be in a spiritual psychosis and being fed on by entities much darker than demons. Demons are after all, divine intelligences and those acts are certainly not divine or intelligent.
“Demons are after all, divine intelligences and those acts are certainly not divine or intelligent.”
most of these demons come from judaic occultism and religion. The worshippers of baal literally burned children alive as sacrifices to him, and many here worship that same entity. to claim these beings are not intelligent due to their dark nature is foolish and to claim they arent dark is even more so foolish.
just because you want them to be more gentle, and perhaps they are more gentle to you, doesnt mean they arent capable of the most atrocious things ever conceived. In judaic occultism, there is the tree of death, also known as the qlippoth. it is seen as the path you take for ultimate corruption of your soul vs the sepiroth or the tree of life that puts you on the path to god. The first spirit you encounter in the qlippoth is lilith, which according to judaism she is the cause of death of babies in this world and the mother of monsters. Most on here will claim, “oh no, not my sweet innocent lilith, surely she would never do such a thing”, and claim she has been vilified by the very same sources that first ever mentioned her name. im just so tired of people on here willing to kill their own family because they didnt bring them a birthday present and at the same time have the audacity to claim a literal demon isnt capable of something even more sinister.
My thoughts exactly.
I just did a quick dive into MS-13 who I think were mentioned on this thread earlier because they pray to the devil, or la bestia as they call it.
"Del Cid and Taliban made devil horns with their hands and joined them together to pray for deliverance from police.
But the devil wasn’t listening.
Del Cid was arrested two weeks later."
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/12/20/you-feel-that-the-devil-is-helping-you-ms-13s-satanic-history/
Just one example, but if demons were so fond of these acts being carried out, why do these pricks consistently end up in prison or being murdered by their own kind?
If I understood it correctly, the claim they made is that these are different entities.
Lilith is far older than judaism.
Agreed, but those two people might not be the same.
Or the birthday present might just be the tip of their iceberg and theyve been mistreated by their parents their whole life, but they dont want to share that part on a public forum.
Everyone is capable of atrocious things. I could go out right now and do such a thing. The question here is whether a demon would or wouldnt do such a thing, based on their moral compass.
I personally have called upon demons to help me curse someone and I will probably do so again. I firmly believe that they are capable of inflicting great harm.
What I dont believe is that they do so indescriminately.
Lets say I go outside and someone steps on my toes by accident and apologizes. Lets say I go home and invoke Lucifer and ask for his help in killing that person, bringing a debilitating sickness upon his child and have something horrible happen to his wife.
I dont think Lucifer would help me with that.
Would he help me get revenge on someone that truely mistreated me? Yes, I believe so.
I don’t think demons have any morality close to human one. They don’t operate this way because they are not humans, to put it simple. Whenever a practitioner makes contact and presents their wants, it’s not like demon weighs the petition on a morality scale. They either are, or are not willing to do the thing, and it may depend on many factors but I don’t think one of the factors is “good/bad” distinction, this is human concept.
Indeed? None of the satanists I know, and definitely not me for that matter, takes joy from such practices or thinks they are even required. This looks very much like “satanic panic” of the 80’s to me.
I think the idea of demons having any morals whatsoever is anthropomorphic to the extreme.
Morals are a set of rules invented by and agreed upon by early mankind so that society functioned better. They are not some concrete universal laws that exist outside our own ideas of what good and bad are. Good and evil are themselves constructs. One cannot point to good or evil in natural existence. Lions are not evil for eating deer, and the rain isn’t good for making plants grow. They simply are what they are. A hungry animal and a consequence of built up moisture.
A demon is what it is, and attempting to apply a moniker of morality is folly. They are not human. They don’t live here, and are not subject to our ideas simply because we would like them to be.
i recommend you listen to police testimonies from detectives who have infiltrated various occult and satanic groups around the world. in particular, from the uk or mexico, but also the US. considering the groups mentioned have far more influence, money and power than probably you or me have, its quite the indication that not only do the demons approve of their methods but that they may in fact favor them. you and me are small fish, probably even in our city and perhaps even at our work. the people doing these acts in an occult setting, not all, but most, have connections and power and influence. just because you struggle to comprehend and accept that level of evil doesnt mean it doesnt exist. its an extremely cruel world and people do these acts even without any spiritual influence, so what do you think happens when they become empowered by magick? power corrupts even the best of us
As much as I like to discuss things, I will not tolerate personal attacks. I am above such pitiful attempts and I am removing myself from this discussion as long as you participate.
Side note: I am more aware of “evil” than you obviously suspect, and my views on how afformentioned groups operate are not for your eyes to witness apparently.
You are throwing a lot of assumptions here. Would you mind linking some of those credible testimonies you are referring to? A group is generally more resourceful than an individual - that doesn’t mean the demons are the cause of it. And as you said - people often do the most cruel things by themselves, no summoning circle required.
I am sorry, but your reasoning makes no sense to me. You seem to be very convinced in your claims, drawing conclusion without any strong grounds.
By your logic, any deity called by “evil” people would be “ambivalent”. How about we flip it to mainstream religions? Priests, missionaries, rulers have committed horrific acts while claiming to serve God. Does that mean God is ambivalent to those acts? Or approves of them?
unless you want demons to be fairytale creatures who will help you with your dark goals, along as it is only aligned with your moral compass and no one else’s
I am not disputing that anyone including demons is capable of destructive behavior, but that doesn’t mean they are conspiring behind it all.
“By your logic, any deity called by “evil” people would be “ambivalent”. How about we flip it to mainstream religions? Priests, missionaries, rulers have committed horrific acts while claiming to serve God. Does that mean God is ambivalent to those acts? Or approves of them?”
this reminds me of an old grimoire called “the grand grimoire” from the 15th-16th century. Within the very first pages there is a ritual to cut off all the skin of a virgin boy while he is still alive and then burn the cut off skin as a sacrifice to yahweh. The entire reason this book is even known today is because it has been translated by various world-famous occultists, including i believe macgregor mathers, a lifelong friend of aleister crowley and a golden dawn member, so i guarantee you the grimoire holds a ton of validity and as we all know, yahweh is the god of christianity