Good to know, I think the one I’m most afraid of right now is Lilith so I probably just won’t do anything with her for the time being. I’m not like a typical person who is afraid of like losing my soul or anything, I’m more worried about being manipulated by any nonhuman entity. My fears would not be alleviated via working with some other Pantheon.
Growing up I was fascinated by the Watchers so Azazel, Sariel, and Semyaza were some of the first I worked with. Along with them, Asmodeus decided to jump in. I cannot express how much he helped me become self-confident, secure, and feel empowered. I’ve also worked more briefly with other demons as well like Marbas to help heal physically.
My goals with them are about gaining knowledge and understanding of that knowledge to improve myself, be able to achieve my goals in life, and help others.
Hm, the afterlife isn’t something I’ve explored too much about. But I hope you can find the answers you’re searching for!
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The watchers do sound interesting, mostly naamah and Azazel. Asmodeus also sounds interesting, I actually have an issue with lust so maybe he could help me with that.
That would be a secondary goal for me, although a very close secondary.
Thanks, I wish you luck in your goals as well. I’ve actually been thinking of contacting a Psychopomp specifically.
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For humans it is exchange of energy ( trade if you will) a price to pay to evolve, same for some spirits/entities. Another aspect for humans is to get assistance in achieving whatever one has a need for. Hence, this dealings should be on equal terms and any request to entity should be ironed out - 2-3 sentences is not enough.
The body with more energy will pull enetgy from the body that is in a weaker energetic state. Also, universal law of exchage apllies. When you take something you should give something back ( does not have to be of a same or equal value/amount) or it will be taken from you regardless whether you want it or not. If one is in a weaker state produced by paranoia or anxiety these entries can take much more energy from you. You get something in return but of a much lesser value. That is why energetic strength is important and being able remain in control of situation when working with entries/ spirits.
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Appologies for spell autocorrection function - not enties but entities.
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What do you mean by “exchange of energy”?
I guess if you wanna evolve you have to put in some work, but doesnt sound like thats what you mean.
What do you think happens if the request isnt ironed out?
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Madness is not weakness.
I’ve never felt like any of the entities which have helped me have shown dislike for anything like anxiety, depression, self hatred, among a slew of conditions which were worse. These things can create an extraordinary amount of power to give in exchange. The aid given in turn might come at a cost, and sometimes that cost hurts beyond measure, but I can’t think of a time where the end results hadn’t been for the best.
My best advice is that if you are willing to work through that sort of energy, to merely be careful with who you give it to. Developing a good relationship with an entity helps substantially, especially if such was done and well established before any aid was asked. If you feel drawn to working with infernal beings, go for it, but perhaps focus on some carefully chosen ones.
One of your other posts mentioned an attempt to work with Lilith, but she appeared monstrous to you. Try reading more about her, show that you care about understanding her or willing to put in the effort. A lot of the times those more significant entities can be frightening to embrace at first, especially coming from your sort of background, but there are ways to overcome that sort of thing. You might also find another entity (or aspect of the initial entity) while exploring, someone you feel much more drawn towards in the present time. You can always return to working with Lilith in the future when you’ve grown stronger.
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Believe me, the most manipulative entities are the people themselves. Next, I would suggest you trade fear for respect.
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Not thinking - had to live through this when made such mistakes. Think about it - the most energy efficient way will be taken without any human moral or ethical standards involved. That is why one needs ironed out details. Bill Duvendak ( the author from BALG) once asked entities for a travel money to Europe- got into car accident and his insurance paid him exactly amount of money he was asking for, as his car was damaged. He took trip to Europe. But there are examples are far more sinister than this one.
I agree to an extend. Ive had bad things happen too but overall it was always a net positive.
Hi @Mulberry I have no idea how I came to this post, but now I’m way too curious. What do you mean by that? Were there times when Judeo-Christian religions did not demonize demons, pardon the redundancy? If so, could you recommend a book to delve deeper into this topic? Thanks in advance, always.
No, my point was, the semitic peoples were only one of many tribal process all at war with each other in ancient metopotamia- the general MO of all of them was to demonize the gods of the other tribes. History is written by the winners. demonisation therefore is an imposition of a political view on entries that were never anything of the sort to begin with… none of these entities were discovered by or invented by the Semitic prime, they new manes and deceptions are all fake, basically.
As for christianity, that was its own thing that had nothing to do with judaism until hundreds of years later when the Catholic Church was formed, welded the Jewish dogma to the various writings of early gnostics and chrustians and created the first bibles well after the mystery teachers were gone, then after that other church politicians discarded and rewrote that lot into a mystically useless mess and doubled down on the shitting on other peoples cultures thing.
So it’s not the JCI have never been evil, they have always done the hate thing: it’s that the entities were not thiers in the first place, which is exactly why they shit on them.
Now today most do not look into the history - to be fair there’s not a lot that wasn’t destroyed - and go “muh “demons” bad”, without knowing why they think that. They were told to think that and just go along with it like good Christian sheep that’s why.
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Id like to add onto this actually, the whole movie thing atleast in my personal experience and my mothers is true. I remember we would watch a lot of horror movie such as the conjuring, and others.
When we did this many many things that were paranormal happened, such as random drilling turning on, hearing random noises, and my mom had a lot of things such as walking up with marks etc.
To be clear it wasn’t just the movies, it was other external factors(personal that I do not wish to share publicly) But the movies also did play a role and poisoned our minds for awhile.
Yes I agree… This absolutely happens to me and I don’t watch horror movies for this reason.
Like attracts like.
I would also add, now this reminds me, that I do believe in what I call “lesser entities” - parasites, imps and the like that play impostor and possess people, claiming to be higher beings when they are not, they are Earthbound and have free will like humans do, they do not keep any of the rules that the higher beings seem to respect.
I’d call these demons if the word wasn’t so overused and generalized, so that even ghosts are called demons when they are unfriendly, and they are not that either, and the techniques to deal with them are different, so as mages, understanding what we’re working with is important and a catch-all term (depending on who you’re talking to) doesn’t help with that.
These lesser things are relatively weak and often very nasty, they cannot deliver on promises to help you but can drain you and send you miserable and crazy, and make others react badly towards you. Cases of entities like that, claiming to be Beelzebub, Legion, various mustachioed evil humans and any name it thinks you know to scare you, are the MO for movies.
It kind of amazes me that they are believed when the “demons always lie” trope in this case is completely true - but telling you it’s “Beelzebub” must be the one this it’s right about 
It tells me common “exorcists” have lost a lot of the info from their profession and don’t really know what they’re doing, they only have one hammer so everything must be a nail or they can’t fix it. The lack of compassion for human ghosts particularly seems to belie the “love” professed in the religion: the departed have to be in heaven or hell so if they’re not they get dehumanized - demonized - and treated as vermin. They don’t have the wits or the skill to find out what the cranky old dead grandpa wants to they just attack. That’s pretty disgusting and completely dumb imo. … not dumb, sick. Psychopathic even.
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@Mulberry As always, your answer was super clear. Now I was able to understand well what you meant, thank you very much for your response, your clarification and all the information you gave me!
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I find interesting that here in Brazil the Saint Cyprian books teach how to free “chained” spirits in this realm. It still uses Christian Prayers but it at least don’t use it to forcefully impose the departure
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