I’ve been watching some Josephine McCarthy Youtube interviews/talks due to my interest in Jason Miller’s ‘local spirits’ idea…
She recons that Spirits (even demonized ones that we encounter in The Goetia) will not converse with any magickian who is set in their ways, i.e a magickian who is is a racist , a bigot or just a general unpleaesant human being.
Such a magickian will think they are conversing with a genuine Spirit when in fact a genuine Spirit is disgusted and repelled by them and therefore the magickian was really just talking to a parasite.
considering the fact that aleister crowley was a racist and a sexist and that the ars goetia was made by aleister crowleys friend and edited by aleister crowley himself, it seems unlikely. they are demonic gods, why on gods green earth would they care if someone has racist tendencies?
Good point but then again, after he wrote that book, he hardly ever used The Goetia, There is literally only one recorded incident of him involved in Goetic evocation ie Buer. However the evocation did seem to work…
Yes, calling someone out for being an ‘ist’ whether racist or whatever is a complex issue. Crowley for example was a mixed up bag of tolerance and bigotry.
And the rest. Crowley was pretty sociopathic all around. But what you need to get magick done in intentions and attention.
You visualise the outcome, and it matters less about whether a spirit is actually there or whether that’s an imaginative prop for your mind and emotions to believe it will manifest.
As already said, it’s complete nonsense.
These spirits exist beyond our reality, they are not constrained by our politics or morality.
A lot of people try to implant their own morals on these beings to make themselves feel better or to cover up the fact that these working with these beings is entirely amoral, you decide the morals and what you want.
Such a magickian will think they are conversing with a genuine Spirit when in fact a genuine Spirit is disgusted and repelled by them
Spirits do not have feelings or emotions in the way we do.
Their energy may not align with certain things but they don’t care, they’re called to do something, and they will usually do it.
I think this is just a way to make people feel less scared of working with spirits by almost humanising them, but they are not human. There is countless terrible people who work with spirits for all types of pursuits and it’s never an impeding factor for them.
I would go as far to say it’s actually a good thing because morals are ever-changing and evolving, what I think is morally wrong others may think is morally right, I’m in no place to put an arbitrary restriction on people’s magick because I think they’re wrong and my feelings don’t align with their opinions, no matter how much I disagree with them, and neither is anyone else. The whole point of magick, at least in the LHP, is that there are no laws, there are no masters, and there are no restrictions. Anyone can do what they want, regardless of who or what they are or what they do.
This seems to be something too good to be true. It would be nice if the worst people were barred from magick but it doesn’t look like that is the case. Bad people have power.
I also think in general that beliefs that the cosmos has some set morality is a way to defer responsibility. We have to decide what kind of world we want to live in and work for it ourselves, not wait for cosmic morality to save us.
I’m skeptical towards the claim that spirits really care about human personality traits based on the fact they probably was here since the beginning of the universe. Why would they give a crap about a species like homo sapiens from a little planet called earth? To them if you give them offerings they will do your will because offering is energy that makes them stronger.
I call bullshit. This is an attempt to overlay one type of morality on a system that is so old no one truly knows how old it is. Magick in general is as old as time and working with spirits had been around literally forever.
These beings have been getting summoned for thousands of years, during times of racism,sexism,classism, and any other “ism” one wishes to name off. They have now decided they won’t work with people based on their morality? You mean to tell me that I can call upon them for a death curse but not if I’m racist? Get real. These beings don’t care about our version of morality.
They live in a completely different realm from our own, with different cultures, rules and societal norms.
This is the citation, the source where (37 minutes in) she says we live in a (Milton Friedman) me me me culture therefore most Spirits think we’re retarded i.e. toddlers…the magicians of that culture selfishly go to the Spirits with what can you do for me attitude? The Spirits therefore don’t want to know such a magickian, they think we are toddlers and heavy handed idiots… but a parasite will gladly do it…
41 minutes in; if your’e not the sort of person who lets the elderly sit down on a bus then you will go into the inner world and the spirits will run a mile…
43minsin;
,magick is not nice and polite…in our society you can hurt someone and apologise and get away with it…in magick , you don’t get away with it…you can’t hide your intentions and thoughts from Spirits…
Sadly i think we are all too much inspired by Judeo-Christian’s justice and Hollywood’s vision about life being antagonist vs protagonist.
No matter who you are, you can generate and attract thoughtforms that will help or parasite you.
Complicated spirits don’t care about who you are in your muggle life. They just expect you to properly call them and see if your request aligns with their field of working.
Goetia has existed since the Middle Ages and they say this is Salomon’s wisdom from ancient times.
People have always enslaved others for their benefits because this is their evil nature and things such as intolerance or racism and slavery were considered good and pious features.
The rule is that if someone cannot control their anger or lustful desire, such a person can be easy controlled by demons.
Ironically based on that I think she’s the one working with spirits wrong, maybe not thoughtforms or parasites but her beliefs are definitely influencing her perception and results from them.
When she says people have an attitude where they only ask what the spirit can do for you, of course they do. You do magick to get results, that is the end goal. The operator is at the top of the hierarchy, the spirits are there to work for you and you do not work for the spirits, although some people ignorantly end up working for them.
Lots of people like to glorify and honor these beings and push their own moral philosophy on them but it just falls flat every time. “In magick you don’t get away with it” there’s plenty of people who have used magick to get away with terrible things and I’m sure there will be more in future.
Honestly after seeing those I can say she is so far misinformed in what she’s saying that she shouldn’t be taken seriously.
I 100% agree with you! I have heard people saying that “X spirit will not work for that thing, not because it cant do it, but it wouldn because of Y reasons”. To me if a spirit cant do something it’s because or I dont have enough connection/affinity to it, or the result is hardly possible to achieve (like breaking laws of physics).
I do believe however that some people that act unhiged because of astral parasite infection (like some very sick lunatics or hard drug addicteds) can hardly do evocation magick without contaminating it with their parasites, or like psychopaths (dont confuse with sociopaths) dont have the necessary range of emotions or perception of “The Wonder” to do evocation and other advanced magickal technique like conscious astral projection (they can do some Law of Attraction things through).
Agreed, you explained it perfectly. The second part is definitely true too, I think they would be fine with ceremonial or less emotional magick but fall flat on the direct emotional or mental side of it.
