Who is "Satan"?

Ha!! How you describe him is precisely how he is. You have worked with him?

Most people who have ‘actually’ worked with him will know him an Enki or E.A. the Sumerian god.
He is wonderful indeed. I have a friend who works with him who speaks of him very highly. I have envoked him myself. Very hard to work with. Intense energy but certainly amazing and oh so very wise!

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Absolutely! Wish people on the rhp would realise this. Makes me sad. Such ignorance.

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It depends which book you’re reading.

According to the N.T and Quran. Satan is the first Fallen Angel. But Satan is also a title or a name for a race of spirits, the Fallen Angels or Demons. All those spirits can act or manifest as one being. The word “Satan” has different meanings. One of them, is the well known “adversary” that comes from the Hebrew “Ha Satan” . The other, is from the root “Shait” which can be found in how the name is pronounced in Arabic for example. Which is pronounced “Shaitan”. The meaning of this word describes the nature of a race of spirits, also known as Jinn in Islam and specific type of Jinn, that we call “Demons”. In Islam, Not all Jinn are Demons but all Demons are Jinn.

Therefore, Satan is a name of the first Fallen Angel. A title for a race of spirits, Demons. And he’s also “The All” or the God spirit for that race.

According to the O.T, Ha-Satan, is a job title for anyone that God uses to test the faith of believers. Could be an Angel or a human being or anything else. In the O.T you’ll find Angels called “Satan”, and interestingly in the N.T Jesus called saint Peter “Satan”. Because both of them were Jewish and understood what that word means. When Christianity was invented or developed as a separated religion, they couldn’t take that part away because it predated the religion itself. So it’s still there. But almost no one speaks of the meaning of it because it would cause huge problems for the Church.

As a “Fallen Angel” the name “Lucifer” was given to Satan by Christianity. But it really doesn’t exist in the bible. The word “Lucifer” is mentioned in the bible twice, one time to describe the king of Babylon. And the other time to describe Jesus. In both cases, the one called “Lucifer” is the planet Venus. Which can be seen in the sky twice a day. At sunset, it’s called the “evening star” and that manifestation was used to describe the king of Babylon. Because it’s a bad sign that predicts the coming of darkness. The second time Venus can be seen, is at dawn. And considered a good sign because it predicts the coming of light or sunrise. That manifestation is called “the morning star” and was used to describe Jesus. Lucifer was not used as a name of a being or a spirit or a devil, anywhere in the bible. That meaning was a mix of wrong translations, misunderstandings and adaptation of Greek mythology. In other words, Lucifer is only Satan according to a Christian mistake. Lucifer is not Satan, got nothing to do with anything in the bible or Christianity, including Demons!

People can believe what they want about anything or anyone, that’s a personal free choice. But when it comes to asking about the origin of a character that belongs to any culture or religion. The sources speak one language and tell a specific story. Anything outside the range of those sources, is a personal belief or opinion. Nobody could ever say “Zeus for me is such and such” because we can get back to Greek mythology and learn who he is. The same with Satan and Lucifer or any other spiritual being. I can’t tell you “Satan for me is this and that” I can only tell you which book or religion I believe in, about Satan, and my experience in working with him. Which should not contradict his character in that source or something would be wrong with my head or those sources need to be proven inaccurate.

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I actually haven’t worked closely with him but a member of my clan has an up close and personal relationship with him and we have spoke since I married his advisor he is like a bro to me lol not a litteral since tho he has given me good advice but I’m not ready to handle his intense energy I’ve felt him near once and couldn’t barely breath so I sang he likes my singing for some reason lol but he is wonderful so any one who truely works with him I’m happy for them you know

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Father of Lights. That’s basically all you need to know. He’s the Uncreated Father of All Creation, who takes on a darker light for us sorcerers

“…Rejoice in Him with fear and trembling…”

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To me, Satan is another name for Lucifer. I also see Samael as another name for Lucifer as well. Satan is the name society gave him. I consider Lucifer his legit name. This is of course personal preference.

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But preferences aside, are you aware of how Lucifer became a name for Satan?

Wait. I thought it was in the opposite order. First, Lucifer, then Satan.

Impressive, @PrinceX! Very impressive.

Keeping the Islamic mythos in mind: the jinni Iblees became Shaytaan, which I suppose some Islamicists would say is more of a title than a name. This can be demonstrated by the fact that Shaytaan is usually preceded by the definite article: it’s always al-Shaytaan (pronounced ash-Shaytaan since sheen is one of the sun letters). Contrast this to the fact that it’s always Iblees, never al-Iblees. Proper names don’t usually take the definite article. I suppose, in the Islamic mythos, “shaytaan” is also a noun referring to a demon or devil, as the Qur’an does reference the plural of shaytaan (ash-shayateen). So, calling Ibleesash-Shaytaan” would be like saying he is THE Devil, not just A devil, if that makes sense. I also recall hearing/reading that “shaytaan” refers to an opponent of Allah, not necessarily a race of beings. Hence, angels, jinn, humans, etc., can be called “shayateen”.

Nevertheless, I honor Father Satan. I have not done anything to explore who/what Father Satan is, just that we all have a link to him.

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Nope, in the fourth century, when the Latin Vulgate was translated, in Isaiah 14:12, which is a poetic description of the King of Babylon, they translated the Hebrew Halel (morning star/Venus) into the Latin Lucifer (morning star/Venus).

One of the Popes, decided that this passage was referring to the Spiritual King of Babylon, who was Satan, according to him. And accorded the name Lucifer to him.

We know that Lucifer wasn’t originally Satan’s name because St. Lucifer of Cagliari was a Bishop who died shortly before the translation of the Vulgate, and he saw no issue with his name.

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Wait… so is Lucifer not what he was named up above? I mean Lucifer the Archangel.

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Thank you so much :slight_smile:

Kindly note that the above quote , which you heard or read, is not entirely accurate. “Shayateen” plural form of the singular “Shaytaan”, can not refer to Angels. When used for Jinn, it means “Devils” or “Demons”. Jinn who choose to be opponents to God/Allah, the same thing when it’s used for Humans. But Angels in Islam can not be called Shayateen.

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Satan is a thought form, built up by Christian and Jewish fears and tales. A distinct entity that can be called forth. I imagine Satan could also be used to refer aspects of lucifer, due to the Christian associations
The on the other hand “devil” is a broader name that can evoke a number of entities, ranging from the baphomet, to Satan, to lucifer ( there are more of course: it depends heavily on the practitioner’s own perception of what “the devil” is).

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I am just gonna ask the question. Which name did God gave Satan? Lucifer or Satan?. Second question. If not god then whats his name? I am confused now what to call him. So much information.

Lucifer. It translates to light bringer or morning star.
It’s been a while since I was taught about the Bible, but he used to shield the throne of God but was cast down for wishing to basically conquer heaven

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@Biffa_Bacon Source please ?

Thank you,

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No, the satan was a type of angel or a job title, but in Christianity he became a proper noun and the unfortunate inheritor of the short stick as Christianity reworked Jewish cosmology.

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Source ? 10 years of magical work, about 8 of which was spent with lucifer and communing with being like Satan and baphomet.
Edit: Wait… did you mean the first or second post? The light bringer stuff is in the Hebrew Bible. Didn’t mean to come across as touchy by the way; just re read my post and the tone is awful lol

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@Biffa_Bacon Forgive my ignorance. If you have external source of information, a manuscript or a book for example, that would be helpful.

I mean when you said that Lucifer is the name given to Satan by God.

Thank you :slight_smile:

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It’s definitely in the Hebrew Bible. Should also be in the old testament. Sorry again about my tone, text is a pain sometimes

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