Because I’m to afraid of the risk of sepsis to make blood offerings I have been looking for other ways of offering of prana. Some who have experiences with using peaceful spit on the sigil of the demon as an offering?
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Yup that’s fine. In the work of Sorceress Cagliastro spit is also an elixir when charged with intention.
You focus on your intention while swirling your tongue to generate the spit.
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Is it because spit also contains prana? I have of course activated the sigil with magical energy before the offering.
In my opinion, not exactly… there’s not enough to count for any effective use of it, but ther’es enough to mark it energetically as uniquely yours.
The main thing is your intention, which you have charged it with to perform a given work.
I will say again: INTENTION is EVERYTHING.
I know that’s like the 12th time I’ve said it to you but I’m not kidding. Energy follows mind. get your MIND in the right place and you’re good.
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I know that’s what you always say but in my experience it’s not enough. I want to make sure the offering gives the entity an incentive to do my will.
It won’t. That’s not what offerings are for. They’re not your whores and you are not buying services. The offering is a vehicle for your intention and is itself optional - your correctly aligned intention is not optional.
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Without offering they have no incentive to do something for us. Why would they?
This is not how it works, and we’ve had this discussion before. They do it because you command that it is so and you have the authority to do that as a human. The offering of gratitude makes it work better - it’s a special type of energy. It’s part of the working.
So when I for instance penetrate the sigil with my dagger I have loaded with fire elemental energy I give energetic offering?
Did you intend to?
Yes I assume that the energy goes into the sigil when I penetrate it.
Ok, but what do you intend that that does? A sigil is just ink on paper, what did you make it represent?
Attention gets energy to flow where your attention s, but it’s action when it gets there, is what your intention is. I’m guessing you’re not just making pretty paper, you’re stabbing the sigil for a reason? What is that reason?
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I print out the sigil associated with the demon I want to work with. I load it with my magical energy (right hand chakra) to activate it and then I penetre it with the fire elemental loaded dagger, direct it into the flame and let it burn in the offerbowl.
That is an action, it’s what you DID but not what you intended. WHY do you do this? What are you trying to do?
I came up with that observation. Historically, people who did offering to spirits always expect something in return from it.
The offering was the “charged object”.
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Yes. The object itself is meaningless. Otherwise they could help themselves to anything in physical existence and then why would they need it to be offered at all?
They could at that rate go get precious rarities from museums, vaults, from under the earth or feel in the oceans, they wouldn’t need us at all. They could just take whatever they wanted, which is going to be way more energetic and interesting than a bit of spit.
That means there’s something extra about the fact that the human has labeled this otherwise relatively worthless crap as an offering, regardless of what it actually is.
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The penetration with the dagger comes from the LaVeyan tradition but since it’s loaded magically I have intended to give energetic offering through that.
Yes but what incentive do they have to do something for us without offerings? They don’t owe us 2 shit.
There’s multiple reasons depending on the entity. For many, it makes them feel good to help. It’s not like on Earth where you’re so separated everything is them or me, everything is expensive, and being generous could mean you fail to survive, and is saved for trade or theft.
It stakes strength to be kind. These are beings connected to higher levels of consciousness than we are, and they can feel ow we are connected through being of the same source. They see you as versions of themselves doing something different. So by helping you, they help themselves.
Another kind that’s been channeled by the CE5 community, and also by people working with Ancestor spirits, is that we were formerly incarnated as people they knew, like friends and family. They feel connected to you and want to help as you are family. This is also called soulmates, meaning, soulmates can happen between beings at all levels of consciousness.
If the entity is the avatar of a force of the universe, than it’s not a sovereign personality, doesn’t care about your offering, you care simply moving energy yourself using the egregore as a way fr your mind to give itself permission to move the energy.
And that includes infernal spirits?