[quote=“RavensAscent, post:11, topic:6049”]C.J. I was actually going to point out some of the things you said but you beat me to it. About how what if fear really isn’t necessary because many feel that these beings are ultimately a part of ourselves, that we created these demons and goddesses and are giving them life by acknowledging them, and every time we evoke them and ask for a favor we are really just doing the magick ourselves and attributing the results to a specific entity. I know that many people think this way.
But if you truly think like this, then it would make sense that you could say fuck it, I don’t need to respect these entities because they are a part of myself, not like they are really beings that are separate from me so I have nothing to fear. That’s one way of looking at it but another way is that, if these beings really are just a part of ourselves, then wouldn’t showing them disrespect be like showing ourselves disrespect in a way? And if you disrespect yourself, you can spawn feelings of doubt and hatred which could lead to magickal failures.
I’ve been down that hateful asshole path that you described, and when I was like that, nothing good ever happened to me. It was not karma as I do not believe in karma but I do believe that like attracts like. It’s thought power. If you expect everything to go wrong and view the world with a hateful attitude, then everything WILL go wrong, but if you can break that cycle of hatred and become positive, think of everything you do as if you know for a fact you WILL succeed and NEVER fail, then the turn around of results can be astonishing.
So humans do have some very powerful abilities to alter their own realities with just their thoughts, I have experienced it first hand on multiple occasions. But being respectful of the spirits I communicate with is not about fear. For me it’s about Balance because if I respect the spirits that come from within me, then I am ultimately respecting myself. If I treat them with dominance and attitude, then I am treating myself that way too which could cause negative emotions to spawn within myself again and like I said, I have been down that path before and I do not wish to go back.
So maybe I see things differently than you do, but I have never trembled in fear in front of a demon, I have never given into any demands like a slave as the demons have always respected me for my straightforward attitude whilst around them so they have never tried to command me or take advantage of me. They show me respect for having the courage to evoke them despite their bad reputations in christian literature, so why shouldn’t I return the favor? Being a god requires the ability to plan ahead. Having many demons on your side as allies, in my opinion, is a good thing because if someone tries to destroy you, you can take them down much quicker if you have your own little private army on your side. And treating your demonic allies with respect is the quickest way to gain their loyalty to you and vice versa. Makes sense though, right?
And C.J., I didn’t think you were being an ass, no offense taken. You just know what you believe and are willing to voice your opinions about your beliefs. That is not being an ass, that is being sure of yourself and confident in your beliefs. Nothing wrong with that, it is something many people on the wiccan, pagan or LHP side lack. Too afraid to voice their true beliefs for fear of ridicule or torment. But I can understand why. Hell, this time 300 years ago if you said you were a magician you were burned alive for fuck sake![/quote]
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I think I took what you said out of context. I wasn’t saying that you should be disrespectful to these beings because they are an aspect of yourself. Disrespecting them would be like disrespecting yourself. I know you get me and I get where you’re coming from as well. I hate labels but I guess I should have stated that I’m a Luciferian and an Atheist to begin with.