The power of large gatherings? AstroWorld 2021?

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Wow I’m glad I only ever went to heavy metal festivals. Whenever someone fell on the floor or was too drunk, people always helped them and the atmosphere was always good and friendly. I never felt uncomfortable even as a female.
I never saw unconscious people getting crowdsurfed, instead I saw a guy in a wheelchair getting crowdsurfed and having the time of his life.

I guess what you described is a combination of incredibly bad management and aggressive clientele.

*edit: the festivals I used to go to were 80.000+ people

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This has nothing to do with magick.

“Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.”

For there to have been magick worked here, the group would have had to unite vibration with intention towards changing reality, which is what magick is.

That’s possible at some events, but would need to be organized, preferably understood in advance… there’s no common goal for alchemy here. It’s just mindless entertainment.

This event sounds simply chaotic and very badly managed, that’s not how you get a successful group working underway.

Lots of energy was around, but wasted, magickally speaking, because it wasn’t directed anywhere useful. Instead it just made a mess. That’s the opposite of church events where the crowd is focused, in control, led by a common goal and all putting energy safely and mindfully towards desired results.

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But I would argue that music and lyrics hones in on people’s energy.

Not trying to argue with you on the astroworld event and if it was magic or not… Because I disagree, the people that attended there on reddit, Twitter and other platforms describe feeling horrible for many reasons. Many that were in it were traumatized, but a couple felt extreme panic just from the music played and a sense of disease.
I wasn’t there, so I can’t confirm or deny if magic happened.

Reciting things in unison with people I thought was a form of spiritual power.

I don’t have the vocabulary of occult readings to describe it.

I was hoping other people would on here.

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I did research and this definitely is a case of human crush.

It’s happened before in how people died that day

I have only attended christian masses and mosques, but the form of worship is different slightly.

I was more curious on large gatherings in general and people’s experience… More than the astroworld incident.

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What do you think of large concerts and some peoples speculative claims in this thread…

I don’t think there was anything magickal in what happened.

What I do think however is some artists not saying this one in particular may energize the crowd with their act in order to feed vampirically on the energy. Possibly he’s one of those.

That said I totally do not believe anyone magicked the crowd to cause that chaos that resulted in some deaths.

What happened was a very very unfortunate case of too many people in one place and typical crowd psychology mechanics once bad shit (people passing out) started happening.If there’s a crowd and 1 person panics or runs it starts a chain reaction (like the wave at a sporting event only in this case a negative chain of events rather then a good one).

To try and say someone made it happen with magick is well unrealistic. What would anyone gain from that? Nothing. Even if the artist were vampirizing his audience he’d have a much easier time doing it with a happy peaceful satisfied willing crowd then with one panicking that’s in turmoil and chaos.

So do I think magick was involved? No! Vehemently I do not. So no no no no no I do not.

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I am horrified by the horribleness of the imagery and it is making me question why people would be involved with it? The idea of a mass ritual what would be the purpose of it why would something want this??

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Money and Power. Why else?

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My feeling is, the "z0mG! it’s a rItUaL!!! :fearful: " is controlled sensationalism and shit stirring, and we have to keep a clear head.

We know as real occultists, what we can do with a candle and TGS, this… this is bullshit. A con job. Whatever’s going on here is not magick. It’s “headology”, as Granny Weatherwax would say.

Don’t fall for it.

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All I see when I look at this is a poorly managed concert that had a very unfortunate incident. I don’t see anything magickal about it at all.

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Absolute terrible management is all it is that very unfortunately took a horrible cause behind it in the end. The disaster of Woodstock 99 was another prime example.

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I think it was honestly an energy harvest. You can’t deny the symbolism, the mass panic, the violence. There are certain frequencies that can drive people mad. The 741 frequency for example. Many of the survivors noted the dark energy, strange sonic vibrations. Literally said they felt like they were in hell. After I left the Army, I worked in event security. I literally can not fathom the crowd control and barricade arrangement at this venue. The organizers had to know people would be hurt just from the general layout. No egress routes, mass overflow of people. Masses of zombies rushing over barricades. No proper security screening, no cell signal during Travis’s performance. Something is off.

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Not really. These sort of things have happened before and this is sadly not the last time it’s going to happen.

One example was at a concert for The Who in 1979. The concert completely sold out, and when it was time to open the doors at the same time, only two of them opened. People were so excited and impatient that they stampeded in. Eleven people were crushed to death in the process.

It still blows my mind that the lengths people go to to even get a glimpse of a celebrity.

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Probably not a mass ritual. I doubt any celebrity who does something like that will do it publicly to get caught.

A lot of people use occult symbolism and references in their stuff. Doesn’t make them occultists and people do die at events, doesn’t make it a mass ritual

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People on the ground claim it was way more than eight.

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At an end of an Iron Maiden, I opted to be the fool, and started shouting “6 6 6”, and after a few rounds momentum started until they came back on stage and started playing the song.

So yes, energy feeds off one party or the other, sometimes both.

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Yeah, I heard it was at least thirteen.

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Could you please check out my latest post? Its about frequencies and evil energys and i‘d like to hear what you would say about it.

Sorry im new and i dont know how to PM somebody

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@chiraq You can’t pm when you first join. No one can when they first join. You have to reach a certain trust level before you can pm.

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Is the frequency in htz?

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I actually think you’re right in a sense that a lot of these symbols used in shows, couppled w/ the sound structure and lyrics, the unison chant - can create a sort of mind-atmosphere and it can ‘evoke’ some things, along w/ the public itself seeking to ‘lash out’ for a few hours after months of lockdown, it can create a sort of wild atmosphere; and I will say that can go beyond the control of the performer

For it to have been a ritual; it had to be deliberate and planned, IF NOT; it would be a phenomena which just went out of control which might have involved some sort of invocation unwilled, I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes of these events but I also know it can be possible for the entire atmosphere to just go beyond what the performer can control, by a mixture of these chants, the visual symbols and all of that

Songs about mrder, aggressive sex and being on top while others are at the bottom; to really ‘channel’ the emotions in these lyrics, sometimes you forget what is real and what isn’t, like an actor has to ‘become’ his character for the show;

I feel this might have happened here and explain why he really didn’t care as much about how people were passing out left and right, in fact he might have been proud that he was ‘driving people crazy’… and ‘fcking things up’; as he was in that character, although he did pause once in a while.

My issue is why would Travis be involved with any of that?
He has already so much money, millions and millions of dollars; he doesn’t need more, he’s not borderline bankrupt and failing; he’s close to the peak of his career,
usually we do rituals for some kind of result, Travis sounds like a man who wants money and that’s it; he has it rn

Blood sacrifice was part of cultures who used it for war, harvest and some kind of big project; as far as I know, you didn’t do it when you were a millionaire and had everything going… but in times of desperation, or some gigantic ambition overhead

I also think a lot of people also exaggerate and over-sensationalize the despair they felt; I did that too once in a while as a kid, it was likely despair and horror, intense fear about whether they would die or not, but then they add on that the whole claims of ‘demonic’, and ‘bad aura’… it may or may not be over-sensationalized on some truth, like a half-truth,
like yeah… maybe it was something they didn’t feel for decades of living life in normal cities, very intense mix of frenetic dance, fear and ‘helplessness’; even hints of ‘death’…
I don’t think it’s easy to sense demons for the common man, but I think it’s easy to mistake intense fear and dread for demons.

That’s my take on it.