Many in this forum use offering in their working with spirits. When you do offerings to a spirit do you request? Or can you actual demand through the offering the demon or external god to do a task?
Offerings are gifts. Do you give a gift and then demand something in return? If that’s the case, then the gift is no longer a gift and becomes an obligation.
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It could also be compared with payment. You pay someone to do a task for you.
Then your relationship with the spirit in question becomes solely transactional and they may not be willing to work for you without an offering.
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I would never work with a spirit without an offering. I don’t see what reason they would have to do something for you without offering something to them. I see the offering as a way to motivate the spirit.
Because gratitude and positive energy is of more value than shitty human objects. What do you actually think an energy being is supposed to do with an orange, a glass of wine or a bill? It’s the energy you being with it that matters. Hence blood being of value - it’s not about the proteins and iron in it.
Pay peanuts you get monkeys. Treat them like cheap whores and they won’t bother - you do need to bring something of yourself to the table. Soething authentic not just a token.
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There are practitioners that uses that as offering such as S. Connolly. For what I know it’s an offering of personal energy or prana.
Yes, but it’s an offering, not a payment. It’s all in the attitude. You don’t get to “demand”, and Demonolaters would say that was disrespectful.
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I work with spirits all the time without needing to give offerings. I don’t follow a religious paradigm so I have no need for them. When I do give offerings, they are simply gifts of appreciation and respect.
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Why do they want to do something for you? What do they owe us human beings? It has been my understanding that offerings is about motivating the spirits to do task for us.
I agree but asking spirits to help sounds to much like prayer where you can’t be sure if the spirit will do the task. So it’s about finding a way to motivate the spirits to do the task where I can expect they will do it for me.
Various reason, some for the energy, some because they actually love us and we are family, but we forgot who we are.
And I stand by what I said above:
So ask it if it’s going to do it - I do. Sometimes they say no.
And your ARE giving them the most important thing they want - recognition and gratitude.
They want to be known and worked with. There’s a reason many of the thanks in the thanking thread are at the request of the entity and that’s the offering.
Browse this thread and notice the ones that are posted as part of the offering:
Because we are embodiments of Source and it is the part they play in the divine plan to aid us in expressing that. They don’t owe “humans” anything, but when we step into our divine heritage and act with authority, they are beholden to follow. As Azazel said in the Book of Azazel, “The physical is the gloried position as it is the only plane in which true godhood is possible.”
Do you have an example?
You literally ask “Will you do it?” Don’t overcomplicate it, it’s a yes or no question.
And if it say no it cannot be persuaded or motivated to change mind?
Probably not, but how would we know? It’s your ritual and your conversation… you have to ask. Would you ask us to tell you what anyone else would say in any other situation? No. This is a negotiation you are making between you and it, as two equal, sentient beings. Entities are not a predictable monolith that all behave the same way all the time… go ask it if there’s anything you can do to change it’s mind.
Less talk more practice - get in ritual and try these things out for yourself, you’ll find out very quickly who will negotiate and who won’t.