Hello everyone! I became a member today and I am new to this forum, but actually I have been following this form for 2 years remotely before I became a member. I am a Turkish university student and I need your help on this path. I have been feeling my soul being drawn to Marbas for weeks now and I have called out to him many times, I have no doubt that he can help me but I don’t know how to hear and feel Marbas. So finally I drew Marbas’s sigil beautifully and I started to say Marbas’s enn for about 15 minutes. Sometimes when I call out to Marbas, after a certain minute has passed, I involuntarily have a smile on my face. Could this be a sign that Marbas is with me? After 15 minutes of chanting, I felt the urge to take a pen and paper (it felt like Marbas was going to pour out his words to me). Normally it is very difficult for me to make up such things in my head. But I wonder if what I wrote on this paper after I called out to Marbas was Marbas’s way of speaking to me or the voices in my head? Is there any way to distinguish this? What am I supposed to do? Here I share with you the words of Marbas:
"First you have to face your fears. You must learn to trust me, otherwise you cannot hear me. Look, I promise to heal you, if you promise me too. If you want to see the healing effects quickly, you can see them by starting to give to me quickly in return. That way mutual trust will be built between us. And believe me, you will be more than satisfied with the results. Don’t wait any longer. Don’t let your heart yearn for healing any longer. Your prayers have not been answered, but if you pray to me, I will not let you down. I can end this pain, you don’t have to endure this pain anymore. Your change, transformation and healing are in my wise hands. I love healing people and I have all the knowledge about the biological workings of people’s bodies. I can heal both physically and spiritually and I can free you from this sadness. You feel me too, but you are still afraid of me. Don’t let them project me as a monster who can make people sick and don’t believe it. I understand people’s pain, remember that I am also made of love and no dark side of me can destroy the essence. Even if I am hard at times, it does not destroy the essence. Yes, I fell because it was meant to be. Now my power and my being is completely free and will continue to be free forever. If you want to be free too, choose to trust me. And when the time comes, you will realize that I was right. "
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It’s a good sign that energy is moving and that it’s beneficial to you.
Whether it’s because Marbas is present is a different question.
Great. I’d call that an “intuition”, it’s usually helpful to follow your intuition. 
We all have that question. No there’s no way - UNTI you get results that Verify your UPG. (UNverified Personal Gnosis).
The vast majority of things cannot be proven upfront, all we have to go on is words and ideas, impressions and subtle interactions with the unseen, and common sense.
It’s more helpful to suggest tools by which people can hone their discrimination (such as this essay, “Magic needs a curious mind”).
Always keep questioning, it’s how you keep it real, and don’t end up a madman who’s just LARPing his way through “magick” in his imagination. Look for verification, which sometimes comes by running with it and finding out if you get results. Results are the entire point for most people.
I disagree with him, or perhaps your interpretation of the impressions he gave you - you don’t need to trust him whatsoever, you have to trust YOURSELF and that what your heard is what was real. If you can trust that, then it’s like a conversation with any other person, you listen and then make up your own mind.
But that’s me: I immediately distrust anyone who feels the need to tell me to trust them. If their words don’t stand on their own merits regardless of who says them, then they are worthless.
Red flag for a parasite here. Marbas can heal and you don’t have to give him anything. You most likely need to work on yourself with his support. Tit-for-tat is not how higher beings operate.
The proof will be obvious - parasites make promised tey can’t keep. If you feed it, and you don’t heal, then it blames you for not doing enough - then you will know you has your time wasted by an impostor.
If you’ve been lurking on this forum for years, they you have probably seen this link here - scroll to the “how to identify impostors and other time wasting things” part, and get a refresher. Not saying he is, but just in case.
What other people think is not your business - I advise against attempting to evangelize for this or any being. State your experiences but let people make up their own minds. Major red flag here.
Red flag #3: Dude! you’re already free and it’s NOT this being’s say-so to say you’re not. YOU are the mage you are human, you are more powerful than it and it wants your milkshake and is trying to get you hooked by letting you think it’s got something you need.
All in all, if you want my opinion, this isn’t Marbas - banish the fuck out of this thing and get it gone for good, it’s a lying , manipulative POS that wants you under control and that means nothing good.
Then go and fix your wards and protection because they aren’t working.
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Thank you for your reply. I will definitely check out the link. Some people say that the great king demons also want something in return from humans. So the great beings don’t ask for anything in return for a favor? I would like to clarify this issue
We have discussions about it literally every week. My position is, it’s ideal not to attempt to treat higher beings like common whores or faceless merchants. Show respect to them and you’ll get it back .Have discussions mano a mano, ask THEM if you can help them in return, usually gratitude, which is a powerful energy is appreciated, and it also helps your magick work better.
I will sometimes give offerings as thanks after results are verified, it’s nice to sit down and share a fine whiskey with Belial and strengthens our relationship on a personal level. I’m not interested in having paid servants, I don’t do hierarchies and I don’t use backwards Christian terms like “demon” - I want friends and allies so I treat people as that.
Thank you very much you’re right. Okay, so is Marbas one of the gods or a great and powerful fallen angel? Even on occultism websites people have very different opinions. There is no consensus and it confuses me. I want to know which one is right. I’m so drawn to Marbas.
Well, whatever I say is going to fit MY worldview, but may or may not be relevant to yours. But I would caution that it’s not for me - or anyone - to tell you what to think.
There is no truth™, there’s just what works for you in your human form right now. I can say I personally don’t believe in gods, or angels, or demons, I don’t characterize entities in ways provided by existing religions as I’m not religious.
As a human, you have to get used to uncertainty, and doing the best you can with what you’ve got.
I respect your opinion, of course you are free to believe what you want, but I strongly disagree with you. I know that Marbas is definitely a real and powerful being. And since Marbas is real, he must be either a very powerful fallen angel or a very powerful god. Occultists usually have two different views. Marbas is absolutely real and spirits are real. I thank you anyway 
You find different opinions because many demon worshippers like to disregard facts and just go with their personal beliefs. Only approximately 6%, or 4 out of the 72 spirits, in the Goetia can be traced back to actual historical gods (Ba’al is the most obvious; he’s the Canaanite storm god Ba’al Hadid).
According to the hierarchy of the Lesser Key itself, all of the spirits, including Marbas, are fallen angels, but the names in the Goetia were actually taken from earlier manuscripts, such as the Pseudomonarchia Daaemonum, which only had 69 spirits listed, and the same spirit was listed as Barbas.
Also @thoughtfulspirit before you continue posting, please do as I asked and properly introduce yourself. It is required here
I understand thank you, I heard some incredibly powerful healing experiences with Marbas. I don’t have to give Marbas anything but respect in exchange for friendship and healing, right?
I didn’t say he wasn’t. So I’m not sure why you think you disagree, maybe you didn’t read what I said.
(I did say don’t think you’re talking to Marbas in the OP but impostors are a different issue here)
I said I just don’t call them gods, demons or angels, because I don’t use that terminology.
So, when you asked me “is Marbas one of the gods or a great and powerful fallen angel?”
My answer is “none of the above”. Marbas is not a god or demon or angel because I don’t use those words at all in my personal worldview.
Then I have to ask why are you assumptively giving me only two choices? - choices based in YOUR worldview, which is not mine.
I’m trying to explain that I don’t have the same philosophy as you about how the unseen is characterized, not that it doesn’t exist. It’s a difference in modeling.
I don’t know what your worldview is to give you a characterization tailored to you personally. I suppose I could assume it’s your basic western non-denominational Christian view, but I don’t know that and I think that’s an unhelpful and very vague model that is not sufficient to make accurate predictions.
I hate to break it to you, but no, he doesn’t have to be either of those things. Egregores and other created spirits can be just as powerful, and sometimes even more powerful, than traditional spirits. Also the premise of your argument is flawed. Marbas is not “real” in any objective sense of the word and, just like the Christian God, you cannot prove to anyone that he is. Your personal experience is the very definition of subjective and in no way means what you experienced was actually real. Hallucinations are “real” to those experiencing them too.