Magick Beyond the Trance State - I need your opinions

[anon79490384]

Not strange when you consider the fact that we are all connected. So, I’m assuming you think this is a possible feat?

[Epsilon_The_Imperial]

I think that people see a connection between two things and they don’t know what to do with it, so they either forget about it and/or take it for granted.

[anon79490384]

I agree. So regarding the magick beyond the trance thing - since you’ve been thinking about it, do you yourself find it possible?

[Epsilon_The_Imperial]

I think that it’s possible, primarily because I recall an instance of C.Kendall having his reality torn open by Azazel without any trance induction, which leads me to believe that you don’t need trance in order to alter your perception of reality.

[anon79490384]

I see; thank you. I think I remember the thread you’re referring to. I’ll go and read it now, if I can find it.

[anon79490384]

Found it, for those who are curious, here it is:

REALITY OBLITERATED - by Azazel

I was performing a evocation since I had some emotional and mental instability I get massive doubtful thoughts but being a left handed practitioner i’ve always got to anaslyse instead of just believe. I was performing this evocation with Azazel a being I have been with since the beginning, I told him about my doubt and asked if I was even talking to him he said to me " what is real “, I said real is solid facts that can be observed, he laughed and said ” look at the space before you " all I sa…

[Epsilon_The_Imperial]

There’s a blind spot in our thinking. We think that the only way to alter our perception of reality is to enter a full-blown trance/meditation/gnostic insight/ trip/ mind-blowing experience, so it creates a categorical blind spot when we start contemplating a topic like this.

Having your reality torn open outside of trance goes to show you that even a “stable” state of mind is easy to fuck with.

Having a perfectly LUCID and CLEAR experience of an anomaly that SHOULD NOT BE THERE is something out of a horror movie, but is arguably more jarring to our stable reality than anything else we can write off as “unreal” because “oh it was just in trance”.

What does this have to do with magick? It does away with the assumption that reality at ANY point, is “strong” enough to defy your expectations. As in, there is no fixed point of reality that is more or less malleable than any other point in reality.

The difference lies in how much we are willing to accept our own power and make daring, catastrophic, apocalyptic changes to reality.

[anon79490384]

I wholeheartedly agree. I, admittedly, had fallen into the trap of “must be in a trance to do this” before, but now I’m drifting apart from it. What you said is something we all should keep in mind.

[KingOfHearts616]

I agree with that statement

[Nyxifer]

John King/Imperial Arts claims that his Goetic evocations do not require any sort of trance state for physical manifestation:

It may be worth noting, though it hardly needs telling, that I do not involve any form of trance, whether hypnotic or drug-induced, in the ritual at any time. The amount of smoke is minimal and my working room (more than 20 feet across with a ceiling of like measure) has ample ventilation both from its size and the numerous windows. I do not use any form of black-mirror, “LBRP,” or any other such adaptation of the original procedure.

Goetia: #64 Haures

One of the more fascinating aspects of the Ars Goetia is that there is no prerequisite training or practice required. Once the ceremony is known, there is nothing left but to do it in the correct manner. The spirits are bound to give visible appearance and to speak audibly, without which their conjuration is not fully secured.

[AlphaC]

Was born a medium, but my astral senses had shutdown overtime.

After meeting my fellow Demonic brothers they would never stop talking to me, always 24/7.

Eventually that caused my Brain to force my astral senses open.

I learned overtime that our senses we’re actually never closed or off.

But that our Brains simply did not know how to process non physical phenomena.

Exposure to all things non physical will lift the veil gradually.

Just gotta let your brain adjust.
To move the dial, to adjust the frequency.

[KingOfHearts616]

I needed that

[Narsonix]

I actually struggle with trance state, but seem to have been talking with spirits for most of my life, I just didn’t realize I was doing it. Now to work on feeling when they show up and the energy differences between them.

[Danizeil87]

Okay, so I’m a little confused because I myelf having only been a student of the left hand path for officially a little over two years (but a satanist a heart nearly my whole life based on hindsite epiphanies), but I can understand the terms Trance-State (which I think is synonymous with TGS (please correct me), Astral Realm, and the concept of Seeing Through the Veil. When you speak of Trance State, and Veil, are those being used synonymously and are they the same as Theta Gamma Sync which is the meditative state one strives to achieve to perform evocation? Help me understand. I’m 49 and have a lot of quick catching up to do!

[anon79490384]

Astral Realm = world of ideas, dreamworld (according to some), place of instant manifestation, etc

Trance-State = TGS (I refrain from using the term TGS btw because I do not know if your brain waves are at theta and spike to gamma during this state. I’d need EEG to confirm this)

Veil = that which keeps us from seeing the spiritual world

Sorry for the late reply; I’m tired.

[dagar]

I can channel and I’ve never truly gotten into tgs

[anon79490384]

Yeah I do not think it’s necessary. TGS is needed if you want an ultra-vivid experience, I suppose.

[dagar]

I see

[anon79490384]

But, honestly, I think TGS is kinda misleading. E.A. coined this term, but I doubt he ran an EEG scan while he was evoking. If he did, well kudos to him for his dedication. But if not, I think it’s just better to call this thing trance. Or state of altered consciousness. Or even hypnagogia.

[Robert]

I agree with this! It would take some practice to get to that point, but it is possible, hell I’ve been slowly coming closer to that every time I do ritual, but far from reached that point