Jason Miller 'Getting to know the locals'

White Magick, Right Hand Path & Sephirothic Magick
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Yes. Look for a spirit of place I call them leshiye for forests/woods), spirits of the rocks, trees (dryads), caves, and guardian spirits. Every plant is it’s own spirit and also has a deva of that species you can talk to that knows more about caring for them in that area, the animals have devas as well. The wind is a spirit, the rivers have spirits. Nyads, rusalkas, pixies, knomes.

Avoid the red hats, there are unfriendly spirits too - the Celts called them seelie vs unseelie - just leave those be, they’ll bring bad luck if you push them.

If you just start with picking up any trash or putting things back, you will be obviously friendly and they’ll appreciate that. Like attracts like. Give it time. Leave bread as a token of goodwill, feed the wildlife, all that good stuff.

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The Spirit of the land itself…I think It was known as The Green Man to European seers or maybe elsewhere it was known as Pan and/or green-skinned Osiris?.

As you say, some people when outdoors interact with the land Spirit, with elemental spirits of animals, rocks and trees and then are led here or there… they then ask the Spirits if anything can be done to help? Cooperation. Apparently this was a mainstay in e.g. the Native American world and presumably any non scientific cum christianised culture. I hear that half the time, the Land is ok and turns help away but sometimes there is a little set task.

D H THorne was asked to take a little rock to some field…something like that, i saw the talk it on his Youtube channel…i think it was a Goetic Spirit though, i don’t recall exactly.

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I let you experiment with that. The Green Man is a magickal archetype. Using his figure can make you contact a similar entity. But that doesn’t mean it’s THE genius locii of your place.

Just ask him to send you images, gives you attribute etc. The genius locii of my local forest appears as a centaur/deer like creature.

Same for Pan, Osiris… Unlike there are cult to those spirits where you are, you most likely won’t find them as god where you are, but again as magickal archetype.

As the brilliant Josephine McCarthy says in her book, using terms like “Monarch of this place”, “Guardian of The Forest” will help you to launch a call to the spirit that answer to those titles.

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Yes that’s your overall spirit or god of nature, Cernnunos, Pan, John Barleycorn, and all that.

I haven’t looked into Osiris as a nature god but makes sense, though his story seems to have evolved into a mithras/jesus style story - it does make you winder if that’s where the whole born again/resurrection ritual comes from - ancient pagan rituals to ensure the spring happens.
The green man is similarly the consort of the lady, born in the spring and dies after the harvest where he’s sacrificed. People subsistence living were very invested in following the seasons - it bothered people a lot that winter might never end.

Damn the Bard (pronounced Dave) did a fun song about John Barleycorn which is basically about growing grain. The pagan folk music genre has a lot of inspiration for working with nature spirits and also these more pagan and hence land-oriented spirits. The druids had a lot of trinities but “Land, Sea and Sky” was one of the most important (we think, it’s not an unbroken tradition). It’s a, close to the land, survival thing.

The spirit of the land is of that local land area and is a kind of Fae. A leshiye is this kind of thing - he represent the whole forest. Although… some of the Celtic gods started out as gods/goddesses of things like shrines and heling wells, that later became deified and widely accepted. I think Brigit has that kind of history and then later wells were just dedicated to her instead of people finding the spirit of the well itself.

You also get humans who have taken to the land, particularly in America it seems where the Native Americans would work with the land and some stay with it after death. I’ve met “guardians” in cemeteries and Josephine Mccarthy talks about “sleepers” in the land ritually wedded to it to help protect it. I think I met one of these once - a native American attached to a marker stone at a field’s edge.

There’s ideas that some of the house fae - brownies and hobgoblins, also beansidhes (fairy women: banishees) - came with the early settlers on the ships. This concept is borrowed from in Neil Gaiman’s work American Gods a little.

I think some entities are universal, and are just called different things from country to country. In the UK you can get “pixie-led” - this is when you get lost in the forest from following what you thought was the trail, but realise you have been going in circles or lost the trail totally, or see a light and follow it for it to disappear and oops, you’re lost. I feel like I’ve been pixie led in my local PA woodland trails as well, but if I could talk to a local who knew, they wouldn’t call those “pixies”.

I think it’s fine to reach out and not even label the contact too, and just call it “nature intelligence” to connect with it on it’s own merits.

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This is EXACTLY the term i use ahahah.
When you get on that road, you better forget the names ahahha.

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Are these bands basically genuinely tuned into Spirits of the land and so on? What about stories , lore about fairies, Celtic lore etc or even relevant movies?. I never read fantasy stuff but is any of it for real and useful for someone who wants to contact elemental and Land Spirits? For example in the movie Excalibur, Arthur says , ’ I am Arthur and I and The Land are one’.

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Damn the Bard is a druid and the pendragon of the Order of Bards, Ovate and Druids (OBOD). I’ve done their Bardic grade course though it’s expensive and long and just the start as there are also the Ovate and Druid courses I haven’t graduated to yet, and there are other reconstructionist druidry courses you can do - the Bardic grade is all about the lore and history.

For lore there are books of folktales, particularly the Mabinogion which is Welsh myth.

Some of the best fairy lore is in fairy tales. The tales collected by Winifred Finlay are out of print now but you can still find copies on ebay and zshops, and those has authentic tales from around Britain that are a bit more unedited than say, Tales of the brothers Grimm.
The two best ones imo are Tales from Moor and Mountain, and Folk Tales from the North.
They’re a mix of teaching tales, shamanic journeying stories and education on how to treat the fae to get along with them, or how to outsmart the mean ones.

If you get into shamanic journeying you can use the stories where people go into the underworld *faery kingdom, same t thing - the hills, they are hollow) as starting points for journeying.
A good story for this the Childe Rowland and the King of Elfland.
This is a place in the astral you can visit:

It was not exactly dark, but a kind of twilight or gloaming. There were neither windows nor candles and he could not make out where the twilight came from, if not through the walls and roof. These were rough arches made of a transparent rock, incrusted with sheepsilver and rock spar, and other bright stones. But though it was rock, the air was quite warm, as it always is in Elfland. So he went through this passage till at last he came to two wide and high folding doors which stood ajar. And when he opened them, there he saw a most wonderful and gracious sight. A large and spacious hall, so large that it seemed to be as long, and as broad, as the green hill itself. The roof was supported by fine pillars, so large and lofty that the pillars of a cathedral were as nothing to them. They were all of gold and silver, with fretted work, and between them and around them wreaths of flowers, composed of what do you think? Why, of diamonds and emeralds, and all manner of precious stones. And the very key-stones of the arches had for ornaments clusters of diamonds and rubies, and pearls, and other precious stones. And all these arches met in the middle of the roof, and just there, hunjby a gold chain, an immense lamp made out of one big pearl hollowed out and quite transparent. And in the middle of this was a big, huge carbuncle, which kept shining round and round, and this was what gave light by its rays to the whole hall, which seemed as if the setting sun was shining on it.

It was a thing for the Celtic (Irish and Welsh) Druid-Kings to be married to the land, as the land was female and they represented the masculine consort taking care of her.

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I see, hence the Dragon ( chi ley lines) on the Welsh flag and the lore about 3D -orientated St George crushing the Dragon…or trying to.

I appeared to have summoned the Spirit of the land as i was walking about last week. The technique is to first talk (or at least mentally- talk when people are around) to all wildlife near and far (every bird you see or dog so on) and talk /greet every tree and piece of fauna you pass. Eventually the Land Spirit welcomes you as a friend then you greet It and ask if there’s any particular place i need to go to and is there any task It would like you to complete for It/us.

I didn’t see any fairies or elves or gnomes but I appeared to see the Spirit of a river. I left food for a crow and later for some magpies by a bush. I also binned a plastic bag that was wrapped around a bush populated by those 2 magpies.

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I think that’s a red herring…

  1. There’s no ley lines on the Welsh flag? That’s the earth and sky. The red dragon is not related to the fae, it was adopted from Roman military standards.
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  2. Uh, so ley lines are not called “dragon lines” in the UK - calling them “dragon” lines comes out of Chinese Feng Shui. I think they’re the same thing (?), more or less… but I use the term Ley lines.
    There is some old lore about them being fairy paths, which in Chinese would make them dragon paths - in Chinese dragons can represent conduits of energy generally, not just in geomancy - so this fits in my mind.

There’s a sense of movement or flow about them. I think it’s a misnomer to called them the “chakras of the earth” as some seem to - Chakra means “wheel”, but yoga does also have lines of energy in the body called nadis (as opposed to meridians", so I wouldn’t hate calling them the “nadis of the Earth”. But I don’t know if the yogic tradition has a geomancy component.

St George and the Dragon is a later Christian plagiarization - a common practice to help gain acceptance and stamp our pagan beliefs by replacing them.

Sounds like you had a good day though and started making some new friends. :smiley:

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Yes :grin: Land magick, this is some powerful sh*t imo. How does this relate to e.g. the 72 Powers used in The Goetia?

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I wouldn’t say it was related to the Goetia really. I suspect some of those may be Djinn, which in my book are a kind of fae, but I think some are ETs and some are egregoric entities such as deified cities. It’s a very mixed bag. And those are from a different part of the world. Working with the local spirits is unique.

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I guess a deva of e,g, a bird or a lake in one country is not the same deva of a bird or lake in any other region of the world? Don’t the Land and the animal devas and tree spirits anywhere in the world have the same wordless universal language?

I guess that relates to Jason Miller’s idea of Mall Santas ie for practical purposes, wherever we are, Japan, U,S,A, Wales or Serbia, on holiday for a week or at home etc when we summon The Green Man there via the animals and fauna there it’s a Mall Santa Green Man we deal with. It’s not the Green Man. It’s not the CEO, it’s the Area Manager or some of his middle managers dispersed around different areas of any country in the world,

As Auberon said earlier, for practical purposes, we just summon the Guardian or Monarch of any forest we encounter not the Green Man.

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There are many layers when it comes to contact those kind of spirits.

I’m going to heavily simplify things but, you can at least see those categories :

The organic spirit/spirit of the place.
The egregoric spirit.
The folk spirit.

Let’s take the example of a lake.

Take any lake from Wales (as example). The lake has a spirit on its own.

BUUUUUT

There are many legends around lakes and fae women/realm in the same country. We can say that many folk entities are directly linked or not to that lake. (Cause you are in Wales and you know the folklore.)

BUUUUUUUUUUUUT…

Wales is a a part of the Western world and occultism. In many modern traditions, lakes are seen as a place of divination and linked to goddess as Diana, mirrors…

As you see, there are many spirit forms around the idea of a lake (from Wales… but it would be the same in India or Japan) and the same for trees, birds…

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This ^

The spirit of the bird is of the bird. The deva is of the entire bird species and will help you work with the birds. You can’t really separate them.

The way I think of it - and this is my own worldview now, so, UPG - the deva is the higher being incarnate into the bird (or plant or animal, fungal species etc) species. Humans have only one higher being per human, and the primate homo sapien and the spirit are fused as one symbiotic entity… but the deva is basically a higher self for all of the birds in the species or often subspecies and varieties. We and devas are the same thing, but we’re just too big to fit into one little bird at a time, so we spread out and are incarnate through many of them at once.

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I searched for Josephine McCarthy interviews on youtube,she recommended choosing a plot of Land that you care for. However you have to be careful as you’ve invested in it with your energy. Is that like a Pact situation?

I haven’t done that as such, I left raisins for a crow by a river then later on i left raisins for some magpies who populate a bush,I also removed a plastic bag from that bush… As I said I was led there by a Green Man entity as it were.

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No there’s no pact unless you intentionally made apact and it’s been accepted, there’s no pact making in this kind of match usually.

Its more like that Land would already know you.

The clean and offering are great :slight_smile: they’d like that.

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The many tribes of Native North America believed in powerful Spirits, how did they interact with them or summon them? The Native Americans respected the Land and worked with It’s Spirits.

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Unfortunately, that I can’t say. I’m originally from England (I’ve lived in the US for 20-odd years now) and was brought up on the native folklore and superstitions of the Celts and later in the British Isles, I don’t know much about Native American lore other than what anybody can get on youtube and in books. I found the Findhorn story maybe 15 years ago and from there the Perelandra work and ran with that.

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Unlike Europe, North America kept a huge active nature spirit field due to constant practices.

This also can explain why the nature spirits in America are generally more violent than in Europe.

As for Native Americans, they have their own rites and agreements with the land. I’m not sure you can find those rites in details online :wink:

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To my knowledge. the tribal shaman was often chosen by the spirits themselves and would be plagued with dreams and visions until they accepted the role. They would then be initiated by the current shaman and begin their training, training which was often extreme and sometimes life threatening. The actual rites are closely held secrets and only the public ceremonies have been documented. Once trained, the shaman would act as intermediary between the spirits and the tribe.

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