With all due respect, all things are both inherently masculine and feminine, regardless of physical form, even ideas, it is however the individual that is the defining factor.
I wouldn’t put spirits or deities under labels either and they certainly don’t care what one identifies as.
Deities, yokai, etc doesn’t necessarily matter what group of spirits you’re talking about. However, the point is there (also masculine and feminine has technically nothing to do with gender) but yeah Wicca does that kind of associations but I’m as a gay male kind of glad it’s not in books or any kind of sexuality based associations mainly because then it’ll lead to gatekeeping in another manner in this case sexuality and who the God or entity chooses to work with.
If you go on tumblr many Wiccan lgbtq will fight that Loki is a queer God and don’t like heterosexuals.
I would suggest writing your own spells. Spells are in even their basic form, personal.
That’s the best way to get specifics, but if that were to be circulated, you’d be doing essentially what you said you didn’t want to do, taking one thing from another. Wouldn’t you agree?
A good example of such a scenario, is that of Lilith being taken as the goddess of Feminism.
I know she’s not too fond of that, especially since she works with anyone.
So true, there’s way to much personification when it comes to working with spirits/beings etc.
I can understand relating aspects and treating a spirit/deity as a personal one, but personification for a cause or an ideology, from my experience, doesn’t gel well with the other side. It tends to come off as insulting to spirits/deities, unless they themselves choose the personification.
Personally written spells are very beneficial to the individual practitioner, so that’s a great point. I do that only sometimes though. I don’t mind taking things from open practices, sure.
Yes, when I think of equality and LGBTQ+ rights, Lilith certainly springs to mind.
I don’t consider Loki a queer God nor a God that dislikes heterosexuals. Loki is a father, mother, and more than what Snorri Christianized about him by erasing his beneficial traits. I find it more rumor than truth, but if it helps them in some way to view loki in such a way that’s fine without them gatekeeping his existence.
All beings have rights, not just certain groups. In fact human rights period, should come before that of any one group and applied at large to all, by nature all things have the right to be as they are.
That’s why the personification of spirits/deities (to ideology etc), is considered by themselves to be disrespectful and/or insulting. Personalizing is a good way to get acquainted and familiar with spirits/deities however, as they can teach one more about themselves, as well as aspects of being.
Equality as an ideal or even as a perspective should apply all round, not amongst specific points of populace, wouldn’t you agree?
I have been with men and women alike, I’ve sat with orientation after orientation, people are people, human, a species of animal, nothing more.
If nature can live in harmony, then why is it so difficult for people, if not for ideology and/or following given perspective/s?
People are people sure, but the anatomy is different from gender to gender, the brain structure of someone who is straight and someone who is gay has been proven by science to be very different as certain parts are either more or less active in the brain.
People of various sexualities tend to understand things others simply do not or do not want to understand because it doesn’t directly affect them.
In what sense? You mean when we refer to them as he or she? Or in talking about them like people rather than spirits/ranking officials of the non-physical world if you will… or both?
People won’t be able to live in harmony until we can all stop learning to fear and hate what we don’t understand. Also, when we respect others opinions and when people stop pushing religions on to others. Unfortunately we all have a long way to go as a species as many countries in the world still think things like racism and homophobia is acceptable.
I tend to find when I do stumble across something that is of an LGBT nature it usually resonates more with gay men, looking for something aimed at the other sexualities is like looking for an earring in the middle of a field of tall grass.
However, I will look into that, thank you. I feel like my original question has been turned into one of an LGBTQ+ nature… when I only wanted to know how to contact spirits of ancient witches
Try out the servitor I made that @Prober linked, she’s geared for tribal ancestors and ancestors of the person summoning, but if you are specific that you are interested in ancestors that practices magic- most of us have much lengthier blood lines than what we are aware of.
For example, there’s only about 300 years of documented family history for my family, after that you loose the trail completely- but she can still help me connect to tribal deities and ancestors my blood line originated from.
Other than that, if you have specific names- I’d attempt evoking them like anything else, inviting them to my dreams if I could not perceive them etc.
I think the only real trouble with evoking them directly/specifically is that many have likely reincarnated so you’ll only hit the shade of what they once were, rather than the sum total of who they were.
You can call them by name. To avoid attracting an egregore, I suggest you name some of their deeds and what they were known for in this life, to make sure you call upon the right person.
Now, in the example of Crowley, you can start it as -
I call on Aleister Crowley, the Son of Edward Crowley and Emily Bertha Bishop, the great Occultist who channeled Liber Al, who was referred to as Master Therion and 666 The Beast, who founded the A∴A∴ with George Cecil Jones.
You were known for your Occult works, developing the religion of Thelema, mountaineering, and your knowledge on Eastern Esotericism.
Crowley, I ask that you appear before me. I wish to speak with you.
If his presence isn’t strong enough, just continue calling his name until the connection is stronger.
Science, has a habit of proving science wrong for the most part to be fair, though certain parts of the brain being active, doesn’t directly relate to sexual orientation, it’s simply based on individuals and the variations between individual brain activity are quite dramatic, you’d have to know the exact specifics of each individual to even begin to have a control factor, not just sexual orientation.
I don’t doubt or disagree that various people tend to understand different things and have varied viewpoints, that’s only natural and is entirely based on choice, though technically not affecting, but rather effecting and not categorizable to various sexuality alone.
The definition of personification is, the attribution of a personal nature or human characteristics to something non-human, or the representation of an abstract quality in human form.
A person or thing regarded as embodying a quality, concept, etc…
So nothing to do with ranking, or talking about them like people or giving them pronouns.
I’d put forward that in the simplicity of pendulation, that one fear and hate has become it’s polar opposite, as the perspectives of ideology and agenda shifted and the perspective shifted from straight being “normal” to various sexual orientations being “normal” though both have been around throughout recorded history in tandem.
I’m not certain where pushing religion on others comes in, because that was never mentioned unless I missed something.
Certainly as a species there’s a long way to go, though it would go a lot faster, were the species to let go of building foundations through, and of, indoctrination of the same problem, for each new one that arises, as it is the fear and hatred, that have always created those foundations and those problems in cycle which are constantly lemented.
Sort of like how they do in the movies basically. Ok thanks, that’s definitely something I will do as I do have issues with trickster spirits especially when I do tarot and pendulum readings. Or I used to anyway.
Well… many articles are available online of scientific studies showing that in general gay men and straight women have similar brains and lesbian women and straight men have similar brains.
You will find that without even touching science however, this usually proves to be true, I see a lot of lesbians who think the same as straight men and vice versa.
The summary of it is: “Compared with heterosexual women, homosexual women displayed less grey matter bilaterally in the temporo-basal cortex, ventral cerebellum, and left ventral premotor cortex. The relative decrease in grey matter was most prominent in the left perirhinal cortex. The left perirhinal area also showed less grey matter in heterosexual men than in heterosexual women. Thus, in homosexual women, the perirhinal cortex grey matter displayed a more male-like structural pattern. This is in accordance with previous research that revealed signs of sex-atypical prenatal androgenization in homosexual women, but not in homosexual men. The relevance of the perirhinal area for high order multimodal (olfactory and visual) object, social, and sexual processing is discussed.”
Not just that, the worst part is that not enough people want to hear or learn about other people’s perspectives, I’m seeing it more and more though, but I want to see it even more.
Human characteristics such as he or she, which I asked here:
And wouldn’t the quoted text right below this text also be " the attribution of a personal nature or human characteristics to something non-human"
When I said ‘rather than spirits/ranking officials’, I was making a comparison between personification and calling them by the names they have been given such as: Prince Sitri, King Paimon, Duchess Bune etc… so I understood what you meant by personification don’t worry.
You can say that again! ^
Overall, so sexuality, religion, political views, anything that differs from person to person, until all human beings can learn to respect personal differences and until every country on the planet is no longer homophobic, sexist, racist, bigoted and until the masses stop forcing people what to think through schooling and the media… as you said ‘indoctrination’ and yes, history is definitely repeating itself - spot on!
Hm i was listen some guy talk that Crowley be much powerful he saved humans with help of 9 witches who i think was win battle but died cost them life. Most strongest spiritual war, and what they get today for it, they talk shit about him… War be in europe.
This I can agree with, rather than the claim that was earlier produced. As the way the brain worked in a refractory sense rather than a direct reflection based on sex. (gay men/straight men) And I would have no qualm accepting that the study would prove true. Though essentially it proves that men that embrace their femininity and likewise women who embrace their masculinity, have enhanced use of their brain functions at least to certain degrees, making the accepting of both energies or aspects a sign of benefit encompassing the whole. Regardless of orientation and/or “genders” but provides through it a sign.
To this too I agree with you, though prior, it was more about directly relating to perspectives of ideology.
With all due respect, I think you may have missed the meaning of personification in it’s entirety, I did mention ideology prior as the example. He and She is no more than saying, It, an identifier and a way to create a sentence structure, not attribution of human characteristic. Though if you’re attempting to be microscopic with your language…how else would one talk about something, that isn’t in direct relation with their experiential perspective? And aren’t both masculine and feminine natural aspects and energies? It seems to me, like wise with all due respect, that the pronouns, mean more to you, than the reason for language. Though once again, I can completely understand, considering indoctrinated agenda and perspectives of the day and age, (though I totally disagree with most of it) due to the fact that it is based on the same foundations of fear, hatred, confusion and separation of the prior, and such ideology creates more of the same, rather than the equality, acceptance and understanding that is supposedly sought.
Basically speaking yes, however as I said, in pendulation, its gone over into the other extreme, where orientation-phobia, sexism, racism, bigotry is simply directed at what was already equally normal and perpetuated by agendas and groups claiming for rights and equality, that really should simply be natural to the species.
Considering it’s 6 in the morning here, and I haven’t slept more than 4 hours in 4 days, due to stress, pardon me if it’s not quite clear, or if the points are somewhat awry.