Point was Voodoo is a religion and at the end of the day all religions, including those influenced by gods are still man made.
The spirits I named are three that I’m aware of, from Voodoo, who actively pursue working within competent operators regardless of the operators ancestry.
I was being sarcastic because if we choose to believe the man made religion, then these spirits associated with that religion don’t know man said they couldn’t recruit based on past life’s and an operators abilities.
How many branches of Christianity are their? Denominations I mean. They are not all super similar, from one to another sometimes all of what you’d call important differs so, which is right?
You could say all or none or whatever you want, but the differences come from man and how we interpret things and decided to do things, what we chose to believe-not necessarily gods themselves.
i’d agree, papa is a strong current for communication and understanding with ones ancestors. no initiations are ever needed to work with spirit, no matter what pantheon they are from. spirit decides for itself. i’ve connected with nordic/voodoo/ infernal/ and angelic spheres, take it with a grain of Black salt 🤌🏻🤟🏼. blessings 2 u
Oh ok those spirits are from Voodoo, nice to know.
Oh ok, I think the sarcasm must have totally gone over my head lol
Yeah I’d say there’s maybe like 5 main denominations of: So Christianity, Catholicism, Protestants, Methodists and Baptists.
I totally agree, however I feel like I have tendency to want to apply logic to everything and scan the internet for “proof” or some relevant information to back up the things I want to believe or that I perceive to be truthful.
Pentecostal is another, uh did you mention Lutheran? There’s probably others I’m forgetting too lol. Doesn’t matter can’t see it since I’m on my phone, I wasn’t being sarcastic to be an ass- just to make a point and be funny while I did it lol.
There wouldn’t be so many branches of the same religions if we could all agree and all interpreted things the same way, and all held the same values is where I was going with that. Of course spirits can interact with people slightly different same as we would with family versus people we can’t stand- but that’s all subjective right?
So view what you read as mainstream voodoo requirements the same way. It’s subjective, it’s taught and it’s what they choose to believe based on what they’ve learned and studied and not even necessarily what they spirits have told them- we can all read the same sentence and take it different ways.
I get it. I know and agree with @anon48079295 saying that many Loa predated the religion of Voodoo because I spent nearly a year researching it.
I wanted to know why they wanted me when I’m the whitest chick ever. Then I remembered hey I’m native too, even if you can’t see it, so maybe when Voodoo came over some of the Natives learned about it and practiced it…
It came down to past lives and my potential as an operator, but the question lead me to old and obscure and Ancient Nigeria/Egypt times.
Another thing I see is people say if you practice Voodoo you can’t work with other spirits.
My experience is nah, not true. Samedi and Azazel get along etc and both go way back as far as years go. ( just an example)
I hate that some of us feel we can’t do certain things in our occult practices because of our race.
Yeah that’s a big deal breaker for me, I want the freedom to work with every and any spirit out there.
Also I associate a lot of closed practices with being aimed at heterosexual people, so that’s a big put off for me. I am yet to hear of an LGBT spirit or deity, though I know some goetic spirits have both male and female aspects for example
their are plenty of living things around you that will willingly share knowledge if given appropriate attention and met half way, dig a hole and light a candle then look into it while toning a mantra, sit on the edge of a river and gaze at its opposite shoreline. one of my personal favorites, follow the wind through the trees. all kinds of crazy things can be learned doing this.
Yup. I light candles all the time for them as I would my ancestors.
If you want a 3rd party introduction to them, you can always induct the help of Mephistopheles, Lilith or some spirit that is associated with magick. Hekate would be a great one.
I personally call them by their names and such.
On a technicality, I could argue the fact that Thor is one, considering he cross-dressed to steal mjolnir back. Or that Loki is “male” but births monsters, despite not being female. Or that Odin is a “masculine” deity but practices the feminine Seidr. Loki was a more obvious example but do you see what I am playing at here? They’re there, but for the ones that aren’t as obvious as Loki, it shows in subtleties.
I know people who practice in the Voodou houses, etc. A big reason? Because people are retarded and only bastardize and disrespect things, shortly put.
Sounds like… water scrying. I’m closest to the element water spiritually so that should be fun. Unfortunately I live in the suburbs and I can’t do this near a river as after maybe 10 minutes of being alone someone will walk past or come and bother me or just… exist. maybe I could try this briefly, thanks for this.
Someone else said that too, that I need a 3rd party introduction. I will definitely look into that as Hekate did call to me for some time, so I think she’d be willing to help me.
Oh? I wasn’t aware of that, I’ve never seen that mentioned anywhere, thanks for the info, I’m learning a lot from these responses.
Yes, I totally get what you mean.
I get that, a lot of people say that Hoodoo was bastardised and as a result lost its power because now “everyone” does it - I don’t.
Its not so much you need one (depending on where you are in your journey), its more of an option.
Not quite what I mean. Take Native American culture as an example. Historically speaking they got shat on by other cultures. Their traditions were outlawed by “American” government (despite the land was theirs before them) and just recently that embargo is being lifted (keep in mind I use recently, very loosely). So obviously to protect their traditions and values they’re going to propagate it amongst themselves and keep it to themselves, especially when you have a nosey man poking and prodding at what you hold sacred, misinterpreting it, and then displaying that disinformation as “Native American Shamanism and Culture”.
Then comes along the (no irritation held towards you) fucking new age mother fucker who randomly got crystals, sage, a drum and put a falcon feather in her hair and all the sudden is a shaman because she twerked on a stick and called it a totem pole.
^its that same idiocy, irreverence and disrespect that makes people keep it to themselves.
Truth be told, a spirit isn’t likely to work with someone who’s going to treat the traditions they come from like that anyways, because not only are you spitting on the culture it comes from but the spirits in it too.
Its also like Linda who goes to yoga class every Tuesday so her husband Clark can fuck her good after her stretches. Nothing wrong with that, up until Linda starts calling herself a Yogi when in reality she doesn’t really know much about yoga knowing full well its more than just stretching. It’s inauthentic.
Or the bitch who got a rune set from EBay, knows nothing about Northern tradition but calls herself a Völva.
That’s what I mean and unfortunately, Western culture is prone to those behaviors a lot, which is why they get red taped, for lack of a better term.
Check tumblr many LGBTQ tend to put certain Gods as “LGBTQ spirits/Deities” often times deities of love in various forms include lgbtq, or Gods who have often been said to take forms of either gender or cross dressed.
Even the whole of the Vanir can be seen as such given in old Norse while Seidr was mainly a female practice it was acceptable for gay or feminine men to do so.
It’s also theorized that each vanir specifically Freya, Freyr, Njord, and his sister/wife had their own specific forms of Seidr.
Freyr however a lot of what he was kind of was absorbed into Odin, we never hear of Freyr’s life and death aspect or his war aspect like we do in regards to his sister, even Njord is said to be the God of death, sea fearing, and the holy islands, and his wife/sister was often seen to have her own kind of wild hunt. (Went on a tangent but you see my point lmao)
Essentially all spirits or deities are masculine and feminine or taken as aspects thereof. LGBT etc, are all simply expressions of masculine and feminine aspects and energies of the individual.
Perfectly natural for humans, though immensely induced by societal pressures and inaccurate psychological knowledge and stigmatized thereafter.
In fact if you look at the large imbalance of male and female in the physical number throughout the world, it is in fact an inevitability that it would naturally occur, that the aspects/energies would have to be expressed in varied form to create balance.
In terms of beings, Angels for example are technically, expressly hermaphroditic and demons can take various forms also, shifting from male to female or vice versa, depending on the practitioner.
A physical example would be the idea of a man’s man…a man envied as a god amongst men for his masculinity, yet still has femininity and expresses it in some form even unknowingly.
Well I’d say I did wicca for many years, then Paganism, then I branched out a bit more into Luciferianism and Satanism and that’s where I’ve been for the 4 or 5 years.
I get that people tend to disrespect other cultures and certain cultures can become the minority in a country or place where they belong.
Ahaha lol no Shamanism is both not as simple as that and also a closed practice.
I simply want to call on witches who lived before me and were highly respected or very good at what they did.
And I don’t wanna take what’s sacred from another culture or Westernise anything.
I remember i read a guy sumoded apolonius the magus. In a circle whit sword, incense and offerings, he fast 3 days, he claim was in a houze of a British royalty bsck in 1970s,using Greek magick. Nothing difficulty, also catl nagel in magically treasures book he claim sumon Crowley just sitging in chair and few items, kind liketrance funny read. Tru i hear u can sumon whit triangules and spwcial deities, and fadting. The best is do it yourself witchcraft. Book by luba. Were tis person say he can bring anyone to appear.
I personally wouldn’t put deities under lgbtq at all since lgbtq isn’t defined by masculine and feminine anyway and the gods don’t care what you identify as straight, gay, asexual, etc. you can work with any of them.
Yes, that would make sense with what you were saying at the end there, because we all have a divine feminine and a divine masculine, regardless of our sex. Yes, angel’s certainly seem very neutral in terms of gender, they are probably above gender however, like most non-human entities are.
I was more referring to the fact that not much witchcraft or rituals are aimed specifically at lesbians or gay men.
I’m simply stating that I don’t see many spirits that fit into the LGBTQ+, more specifically lesbian or gay spirits, less so about gender.
Sure the gods don’t care about sexuality and that’s amazing, but it would be nice if when I flick through a ritual book or look for spells online, if more were aimed at lesbians and gay men specifically
Hopefully what I meant in this reply comes across the right way and doesn’t cause any offence.
One of the biggest problems in the world, is people, forgetting that they are simply people and thus human in totality. So technically as the migrations came from both what we know as Europe and also from what we know as Africa, all knowledge was indeed shared amongst the tribes, until organized religion came along. So you’re not likely to westernize anything, nor are you likely to take what’s sacred from another culture, unless of course you were indeed stealing it at it’s source, which is an impossibility.
The indoctrination, politics and agenda’s of this day and age, simply cloud the mind, to work with any deities, is simply to honor the source. Deities, don’t do politics.
