The reasons i thought it might be possible for an egregore to become physical is because i thought our physical universe is just a super dense astral,more focus on a thought form is supposed to make them stronger,and i never heard of a billion advanced magicians spending years heavily focused on making a specific egregore or spirit physical.
Yes, because that won’t be any siginificant than working with on other planes.
@ARD. Is it not significant because the non physical planes offer equally good results?
The point was that the anthropologist was taken by the spirit without her consent so she was, in Voodoo parlance “forcibly ridden” just by observing the ceremony.
According to EA Koetting’s book, The Spider and the Green Butterfly, all participants in a Voodoo rite will get partially possessed, but only one will get fully ridden.
Probably because that sounds like a big waste of time. What would be the point of creating a physical egregore? If a magician is going to spend years heavily focused on something, it would have to have a big, important payoff. Otherwise, there are better things to do with their time.
I think maybe because that is the nature of voodo rites? That participants will be under the influence of lwa spirits , So what is the meaning of “ridden” BTW?
@DarkestKnight. Yes i guess it would be a waste of time when it seems even the non physical planes offer good results. I knew making a physical being from spirit energy would be pretty much a pointless waste of time and the idea i presented about a billion magicians focused on it would almost definitely never happen. However if that did happen [ even though i really know it will not ] it would still be interesting and maybe fun even though the results would do nothing useful for us other than reveal new possibilities.
There really would not be a point to create a physical egregore but i guess i was just wondering if its even partially possible although pointless and useless. Best possibility might be that we successfully create a physical egregore but its a complete waste of time. Worst possibility is we create something too powerful that destroys the world but that sounds like something from a Hairy Potter movie or a dark monster girl harem anime.
The Lwa jumps on the person’s back, forces out their spirit (called the Petite bon Ange in Voodoo) and then takes its place, hence the term being “ridden.”
Technically, a physical egregore would be the same as a Tibetan tulpa. It’s been a long time since I’ve read the book, but if I remember correctly, in Magic and Mystery in Tibet by Alexandria David-Neel, the author states that creating a living being from pure thought is a test to show one has reached a specific stage of spiritual attainment.
@DarkestKnight “forces out their spirit”. Awesome. So basically soul travel but you don’t need the skill to project yourself because the spirit pulls you out your body therefore you can skip the work. Not sure if i remembered to mention this in my introduction but soul travel is one of my major goals with magick.
It’s not really soul travel, not in the Western sense anyway. The Petite bon Ange is not the same thing as the subtle body one uses to travel.
@DarkestKnight. That sounds like a huge superhuman level of spiritual attainment. So basically showing how magickally powerful they are.
So the astral body is not the only non physical body we have? Isn’t every plane or realm just another part of the astral? If there is more than astral and physical,i wonder where the Infernal Empire is.
Woah, I think you should read some books if you have so many questions, if u truly want to have some knowledge about specific topics.
The astral is just one plane, and it is the closest to the physical realm. There are many more planes above it, generally referred to as the etheric planes, and they are where the spirits reside.
So will “ridden” gain their spirit again to their physical body?
Yes, once the Lwa departs they regain themselves.
@DarkestKnight. You said an egregore is mostly like any other spirit but not always as powerful as natural spirits. How can i know when something is an artificial spirit and when its a real natural spirit? I would think maybe scan myself,scan an egregore,and then scan the newly met spirit with said spirits permission but even after searching,im not sure i understand how to scan. More specifically i definitely don’t know how to scan myself or how to scan a target that i don’t know the visual appearance of. But i kinda guess i just visualize the target and a string or something connecting me to the target. But when i visualize myself connected to the target do i just wait until i see something thats not part of my visualization? How can i even know when im successful with scanning?
For you to scan yourself, egregore or a real spirit you need to devlop your clair’s (astral senses). And that takes practice and meditation, if you want to scan or communicate with spirit or egregore learn to use your astral senses. This thread has the method to perform a scan.
@ARD. Maybe but i don’t think i would be able to read the required books unless they are free to read online. Also preferably without any extra website log in stuff required because it honestly took me years just to figure out how to make my BALG account and not much less time was spent learning to make my google and YouTube account.