Hi,
This rant is to throw light on how Hindu pantheon is no different from any other religion, how the central tenant of upholding dharma (righteousness) by Hindu gods and goddesses is a big joke.
My landlord is a bloody unscrupulous guy known for not returning single penny of the deposit when a tenant leaves, his entire family except for one guy is totally unethical. They cheat every tenant and they have other real estate loaned as stores. They do the same with store owners. This guy worships Lord Ganesha everyday. I donât respect this elephant god anymore.
I know countless of such cases like guys worshipping a Hindu god/goddess, doing Vedic sacrifices to get power and earn money quickly illegally.
These gods and goddesses are no different and they will bestow gifts if you please them and are no way concerned what kind of a person is at the receiving end!
If you are working with Hindu pantheon, you are not getting results, it is not because you are nât being faithful but you arenât doing enough to pamper these deities.
"God? Save Me From Your Followers!"
I remember this bumper sticker from about 28 years ago.
Point being, donât throw the baby out with the bath water. There are some incredible teaching to be found among what we call Hinduism. Just because some of the followers of the particular faith are corrupt, evil, treacherous Capitalists does not make the practice any less credible.
That statement in of itself is false. There can be several reasons for failure. I.e. intent, energy, etc. It has nothing to do with pampering anything. It sounds like youâre shitting on the guys who arenât responsible for someone elseâs behavior.
Whatever the man chooses to do, isnât the gods concern. Any sort of ârighteousnessâ is of human concept.
I agree with you. Many people mix between the deities and the religious systems. Completely different. You can get results from any deity without following the religion or spiritual teachings theyâre attached to. Those religions and teachings are totally man-made. Got nothing to do with those deities.
@Sabbatius The point I was making was these deities are not benovelent and letâs rip off the facade.
@itsnathanm7 With all things considered, keeping other variables intact working with Hindu pantheon is same as working with deities who say give me something I will make you rich or get some ass. That is the point I made.
Is the religion man made? Yes. Would gods exist separate from human interaction? No. But is hating on a god because of the actions of its follower sensible? Not really. Does the guy sound like an ass? Based on your perception of the story, yeah. Is it Ganeshâs fault? No.
@The_Wizard_Rudra I donât understand how is ritual worship different from a magick ritual? Only modus operandi is different. It is clear that you didnât get my point. I explained below.
@itsnathanm7 I think you deserve a detailed explanation because you donât see the fallacy you stated. You are saying it is not Ganeshaâs fault, like saying it is not Ganeshaâs fault he is a benovlent deity, he gives to anyone who comes to worship him. I ask how is Ganesha different from someone who works with a malevolent deity who can deliver more in exchange for something tangible or intangible? Even the malevolent deity wouldnât give a damn whoever is coming to him/her as long the deal is honoured.
In the case of Ganesha it is the worshipperâs fault and in the case of malevolent deity it is the deityâs fault? You see where Iâm getting at?
If a deity is morally righteous he should refrain from bestowing to people who missue the gifts.
Dude, Itâs clear that youâre the one missing the point. You mentioned âvedic sacrificesâ, which are a part of rituals.
What type of rituals mean what isnât the dispute here. Itâs your inability to understand that individual actions donât reflect on the God/Goddess. If the person is an arse, then heâs an arse. Itâs not the deityâs fault that heâs an arse.
It would be like me saying that whoever chthonicmagus worships must be an idiot, because chthonicmagus canât fathom the point he is trying to make, and that is the deityâs fault, somehow.
Your title is accurate, but everything else youâre writing is ridiculous. If you canât see that, you need help.
Is it that youâve worshipped the Hindu Gods and Goddesses and they didnât do anything for you?
Is it that you dislike the Hindu Gods because your landlord, who prays to Ganesha, took your security deposit?
For some reason you want to make a statement about Hindu Gods being no different from any other pantheon? If itâs this one, we already know einstein. No need to mix multiple points.
Please pick one of the above so we can know that youâre trying to say.
Excuse me sir, but your UPG is not scripture and itâs merely an OPINION, in regards to your experiences with the Daevas. And morality is a human construct, donât twist your head in circles applying morality to beings that exist beyond and above it, at least regarding morality like we have.
Lol, U found only one asshole Hindu God worshipper ? I know A BILLION !!!. Technically there are above 9 billion assholes out there but I will remain within my boundary.
Itâs not that simple buddy. May be he is bearing the Burder of his brotherâs family with that money, then in that sense it will make the act righteous, Swallowing oneâs pride and doing acts like this for someone else !!!
I know Black magicians Who Killed 3 of his exes using magic doing more good to than world than many missionaries by killing over 40 pedos, SO this kind of thing, calling someone good and bad is a bit complicated.!!!
Hiya OP, thatâs just energetic life! Gods give worshipers stuff to cement the energy exchange, what they give is a subconscious reminder to the human brain to worship them. Most deities are willing to put aside personal issues for the sake of profits, so if someone they donât like is more use alive than dead, theyâll do what it takes to keep the arrangement that way. You can work with a deity, or for them- one configuration is servile and personal, while the other is professional and impersonal.
The universe doesnât give a fuck what kind of person you are, or what you do! Only other people (kinda) do; Humanity is âshades of lazinessâ. So, if you want that connection interrupted and the person brought to his knees, your only recourse is to MAKE the universe care, aka doing it yourself!
Altruism is a critically endangered concept. You can try to knock on doors in that community, but since heâs Ganesh-backed you probably wonât get many responses. You could try cursing, but, unless youâre willing to butt heads with a god, I wouldnât! And if you are, remember that itâs your life on the line weâre talking about; if you donât go for the jugular and push through the skull, youâll be on the receiving end! Itâs quite a nasty situation.
Hi chthonicmagus,
I know exactly where youâre coming from. Donât listen to the negative comments here.
Iâm (or was) Hindu myself and most of my life my parents, grandparents, the whole community would drill into you to OBEY all the Hindu gods, never anger them no matter how they treat you. If you donât then you will burn in hell, you wonât get re-incarnated as a human being again and be born a toad or something over and over again - really? My mum used to show me this book or something illustrating hell or something where the devils/demons should burn, boil, dismember your soul if you went against the gods.
Iâve seen tons of people give these gods and goddesses money and riches. They put themselves through fasting or giving up vices, going back to the homeland to a holy place and ârollingâ themselves 20-30 miles up to the temple. Iâm not kidding Iâve seen it myself!!! For what? To be more close to god, the be rich and successful, have a better life, forgiveness, righteousness. Not to be a frigging toad again - crazy stuff!
And the unbelievable thing is when you go to these temples the priests try and rip you off!
Iâm Hinduism there are several religious and I was brought up believing in the Sawminarayan religion. This lot wonât have even heard of it.
This religion builds mind blowing temples around the world (google it) and with billions of followers they receive a vast sum of donations.
Not all of these devotees are saints I can tell you.
Many of them are just like your landlord. Business people who mistreat others but in the eyes of their god they arenât doing anything wrong and like youâre landlord get rewarded.
Their time will come my friend!
I gave up with this religion, you canât please the millions of gods and canât live your life following all the crazy ârulesâ donât smoke take drugs, consume alcohol, tea, coffee, be celibate, be a vegan. Donât eat onions and garlic, anything with E numbers, the list goes on and on and on.
Try and find a demon you can work with and cast a revenge spell on your landlord. Thatâs my advice.
There are no negative comments, youâre just missing the point. OP and yourself are blaming entities for the actions of humans in their own ignorance. The things your family members have said to you have been their own ignorance. It has nothing to do with the Gods and Goddesses.
When and how did they give money and riches to the gods? If you mean giving to temples and churches, then again these ignorant fools gave to other human beings, not to the entities. What the hell would an entity do with money?
This is where you need to rise above the ignorance of humanity.
I do a lot of work with Belial. I consider him a God. Anything I do are my actions alone. They in no way reflect back on or is the responsibility of Belial. This is what everyone is trying to explain to you and OP.
The various religions are man made, wrapped around various entities. Whatever humans do, is their own actions. These entities do not overtake us our free will and begin to live our lives.
People do these things for their own development or to achieve something in life. Various forms of sacrifices create enormous amounts of energy. For example, I love my coffee. Whenever Iâm planning a magickal rite, Iâll give up coffee for a number of days, go be vegetarian and or fast. The whole idea here is to raise my vibration, focus, establish discipline, etc.
For many of these entities, you are not giving them your sacrifices, you are showing them that you are worthy of their effort in whatever you are seeking for them to do for you.
The priests, churches, temples are a multi billion dollar business the world over. It has nothing to do with deities. Again, religion is man made.
Donât underestimate the people here. Youâll find that many people here have scanned the globe to know and learn from all the practices humanity and entities have untaken from the beginning of time.
This is the blind leading the blind, and you fell for their ignorance. Donât continue the ignorance.
Hi, Iâm not interested in arguing endlessly here with people who go to bed with great gods kissing them goodnight but I would like to make my point to you.
All Iâm saying there is nothing noble or benevolent about Hindu pantheon and the gods and goddesses are no different from malevolent spirits. If you keep religion aside most of them canât stand on their own except handful of mythic / tribal deities who were incoporated into hinduism.
Wow! I was thinking about making a thread about Hinduism for sometime and its bullshit and you make this thread.
Iâm a former Hindu who knows that Hinduism is full of fluff-bunny bullshit and most people will never accept the reality of it.
This is wrong, not all Hindu Gods and Goddesses are like that. Although, this is very very true for many Hindu entities.
There are a few Hindu entities that really do care about whoâs on the receiving end and what kind of person they actually are but the vast majority of Hindu entities (especially entities of tamsik nature) do not give a crap about all that.
Many Hindu entities are hungry for devotion and they donât even pretend that they are not.
People can lick their feet for ages and treat them like their own parents (which is taught to Hindus from a young age) and still not get their prayers answered. But Iâm not blaming the deities here.
This is the exact type of shit that Iâm tired of hearing from both RHP and LHP practitioners.
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I felt this on a spiritual level, seriously, the amount of bullshit that Hindus, especially spiritual enlightened ones throw on others is fucking ridiculous (and Iâm not blaming Hindu deities here for it), they worship Gods like Krishna, that have no problem breaking someoneâs wifeâs chastity (read the story of Tulsi) and is the biggest trickster and self-righteous guy in the ancient texts, but heâs so amazing, right? Goddess Kali can brutally kill someoneâs entire family, even if they love her as their own mother, but sheâs such a sweet and loving mother, right?
The hypocrisy in Hinduism is utterly disgusting! But the truth is bitter most of the times.
Okay, but they do all that for their own benefit. And keeping the fluff-bunny bullshit aside, Hinduism is a goldmine of knowledge and powers and its knowledge can take someoneâs ascent beyond imaginations.
Nope, that does not make his act righteous in any way, in my opinion.
If someone kidnaps you and then take your one kidney to give it to a 5 year old girl who urgently needs a kidney transplant then would that act be righteous?
Iâm fucking sure that that landlord doesnât even pay his taxes, and even if he wins a 20 million dollar lottery, he would still take advantage of peopleâs vulnerabilities because scumbags like him hardly changes, unless someone/something really screws them up.
Hmmmm, I somehow agree to it, but if we look it from another perspective, if you work very hard for something and did everything right, letâs say a siddhi from Shiv, then it would be morally wrong of Shiv if he doesnât give you the siddhi that you worked for.
Everyone, if you think I was wrong anywhere on this post, feel free to correct me.
