Energy from attention, amusement, misplaced desire to help the magician’s well being. There are a lot of reasons for manipulation, and they are not always malicious in intent.
Your energy aka her lifeforce. could be any number of @Dralukmun things to, a personal agenda. Energy is the biggest thing though that I take notice of when things like this happen.
That’s what confusing me, she doesn’t feel malicious. She’s been very kind and motherly. And I know she has helped me with what I’ve been working with her on…
right, which is why i said that the reason is not always malicious. A motherly figure does want what is best for those she takes care of, but sometimes that is not what is best for the individual.
I don’t think about her day and night, and I don’t spread her name no more then anyone else who works with her.
I only really get confused when the feelings come.
I feel (gut wise) that is correct. She has guided me, and helped with some really rocky situations I was in (and asked for help) and times when I haven’t. Plus whenever she has been around she always feels motherly and very patient with me.
I just feel confused because the idea of her manipulating me is not matching with my experiences with her. It makes me uneasy…
I’ve only done one tarot on Lilith, the other was my spirit lover and another person.
It happens. I have had spirits get overly excited with help in my magic and try to convince me to go to an extreme with something I was working on that I was not comfortable doing (an example would be a generational curse). At that point, you need to draw that line hard.
All spirits, and people, manipulate. It is part of how we socialize.
I’m thinking that maybe it was because I declined her advances towards me or something? Other then that I see no reason for her to have done that? And also I’m not 100% sure it was her - just seems likely from what I’m being told.
Maybe I’ll look into getting a scan or something on it/her. Like the intent behind it is what worries me, since it doesn’t sit right with me. On it being malicious or to “walk over me”.
While the exchange of energy is there, my gut does not lean towards a malicious intention. I am inclined to believe she sincerely was trying to make you feel better, even if the method was misplaced. Otherwise, she would not have respected your decline. These spirits are far older than we are, but they do not know everything and their moral systems/viewpoints are different from ours
Or refuse to work with her, I’ve had bad experiences before (not with Lilith) and they majorly crossed lines and laughed about it. So I won’t work with them, not all of them are friendly with people, not all of them have your best interest, some just view you as an energy source or worse.
Some pretend to be friendly to manipulate you later, others have an agenda that isn’t in your best interest, some just don’t like people.
I’ve heard of Lilith just using people for energy before in discarded them when they served their purpose.
The problem with occult message boards in general it is either makes them look perfect and they will do no harm or completely evil and very very rarely are either true.
That’s also my feeling to. She was respectful and hasn’t been sexual with me since. The feelings are still there but I honestly don’t sense malicious intent.
I do want to verify, or somehow come to a conclusion. Would a tarot or scan be able to tell?
I don’t feel that is her intent. She has helped me with alot of stuff. So my gut goes against that reasoning personally.
That is true, spirits can definitely do that. They can also flip alliances. For example, Pazuzu refuses to work with me now since I created a ring for Lilith that I wear daily.
Here, I’ma do a tarot spread on what her intent is with me. That should be able to give some insight. I’ll post it here.
Question is : What is Lady Liliths intent with me?
3 Of Cups: beforehand I got, some sort of relationship - a coming together. The sun feels positive and the cups represents emotions to me. Not sure about the 3 birds.
The cards actual meaning is - friendship, joy, bounty.
Father of Swords: The owl represents wisdom, the sword means action. The owl is usually a patient but also deadly creature (when hunting). I got neutral vibes. The word patience comes to mind.
Cards actual meaning - fair, analytical
Mother of Cups: This card has a swan (protective, loving) and the cups also means emotions to me - so maybe nuturing and guiding in this area for me. The mother part of it feels maternal.
Cards actual meaning - Insightful, psychic
6 of cups: This card represents my past, the old wounds, and my childhood. The cups represents emotions - so maybe releasing of emotions?
Cards actual meaning - memories, childhood, joy.
Overall I think this speaks to what alot of the work I’m doing with her ( healing, becoming confident, etc). Input? Also speaks to her mannerisms towards me I think. @Dralukmun
Now I’m not sure where the feelings I’m feeling go into that, but the question I asked was more so on her intent with me. Which is what I needed to know.
Not bad, kind of reinforces my thoughts of misplaced method.
I’m still new at reading tarot to be honest, but that is what my first vibes were.
What did you think? Im also trying to learn how to read tarot better - and an idea of what you think of the spread? For insight.
Also another fair point, she hasn’t tried anything more like that kiss… Or anything else weird like that.
Well, first off, what spread is this? It will help give me context
The spread layout is:
Top card is “general theme, main card”
While the 3 lower cards are the parts to the “whole”. Or different parts that play a role.
So basically one main card and 3 factor cards.
So a general reading.
It’s “The Wild Unknown” tarot deck.