For 5 years I did not get a result in magic

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Imop it’s almost always the user trying to manifest results that do not fit with their life and their purpose or the expectations are above and beyond what is possible based on what’s available and what that person is willing to do.

For example trying to keep someone in your life that abuses you, but thinking if they only changed that one thing, everything would be perfect. Or manifesting you ur ex back but only taking them back after they’ve conceded to go with your every whim and you’ve made them admit their every fault.

Most peoples will power is shit, if they want something they can’t give up something else to have it. A strong willpower goes a long ways but only you can cultivate that. Can you make yourself do things you don’t want to?

For example if you want a new computer, have you ever given up something you like, like smoking or drinking coffee so you could save the money to have it?

I have, every cup of coffee I drank would take me longer to pay for a laptop, so I stopped drinking coffee creamer, which meant I stopped drinking coffee because I don’t like it without.

Did I smoke too much today? I can make myself ignore the desire to smoke when I’ve been stress smoking, I can delay when I go to smoke by hours simply by doing something and keeping busy, starting a project, cleaning a room, washing dishes… etc point is I will make myself do something before I get what I want, just to ensure that desire isn’t leeching my willpower.

When I’m at the store and I have $50 do I want 50 of toilet paper, laundry soap and cat litter or $50 of one new shirt I will only wear for special occasions?

This one equates to are you responsible enough for what you are asking for. For example if you want a car, but you don’t know how to perform maintenance or recognize when it needs a mechanic, it might cost you more than it’s worth to have.

Or if you can’t remember to feed your dog, how can you expect to…

Is the thing you’re trying to manifest the thing you won’t let go off? Chances are you’ll never have it while you insist you will not live without whoever or whatever it is.

Pretty much everything can be wrong or go wrong but it’s mostly related to you, your mind, your circumstances and what you will and won’t do, consider and accept.

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Are you saying that you to give something in order to get something in return?

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No. In most cases a sacrifice of any sort when using magic is ridiculous. We do magic to avoid these not add to them. I was really inquiring about your willingness to do what it takes to have what you want.

If you have a dog but dad says you have to clean the dog shit out of the yard because he’s not walking in it or mowing it, do you just do what you should or do you have to argue or be motivated to do it?

For example, I don’t think my husband has ever asked me to wash dishes because I just do them when I see them in the sink. He’s asked me to wash laundry but only because he wanted something done extra that wasn’t in the basket already and it needed special care.

I just do the things I should do, I don’t need told or asked most of the time.

So I am inquiring about your willpower, self responsibility and self control and simply demonstrating ways you may or not exhibit these qualities with examples from my life :slight_smile:

The qualities themselves and whether or not they are strong within you can affect certain types of energy and results. Wanting something too much or too little or being unable to care for it if you received it, can all net result issues.

There are lots of things I am lazy on, but I would probably not do magic to clean up those areas unless it was my intent to get more done or to get help doing it, because I wouldn’t expect magic to make me a beautiful house if I haven’t cleaned the living room first.

I wouldn’t bring home a kitten unless I had cat food and a litter box or could it right then, right away.

So are you prepared for the results?

Or if I rented and my landlord said no pets, I wouldn’t go get a pet so he could throw us both out when he found out, I’d simply have no pet until I could move.

I wouldn’t try to change his mind because people can be quite determined and I wouldn’t want to net a negative living space, but I would try to magic up a new place, money to move etc.

Like we be saying, lots can wrong! :rofl:

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Maybe because you gave up too soon, and your expectations are mismatched. A lot of resources give the impression it’s easy, and it’s not. If it was we’d all do it.

It took @DarkestKnight 10 years to get evocation to work. He didn’t give up.

I spent 30 years just on energy working and astral development before I found western occultism. I’m pretty sure it would not have worked for me either if I’d have expected to manifest without having the groundwork. And still not all workings are successful all the time.

What I do for these is take each one on a case by case basis to understand why each one failed and what can be done about it. Every case is a lesson learned that makes your magick better.
If you’re not learning from these even more than from the successes then that doesn’t help you move forward.

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The problem is not in the rituals, but in the abilities of the boilers I don’t have. This is my main problem

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Sorry? What do you mean by boilers?

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Oh, sorry, my English is not very good, I meant that I have very poor abilities, if any.

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We all had to start somewhere. :smiley:

What’s in the way of you developing your abilities? You have been trying for 5 years, but maybe what you were doing didn’t suit you? Is it a, making time to practice, issue?

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My internal dialogue and my mind are very strong. I think a lot this is probably my biggest problem

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So I would day meditation like zazen would be useless for you, and instead to channel that energy into something like shamanic journeying where the dialog is an advantage.

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Where can I read and learn more about this?

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Check out the Core Shamanism tutorial: powerful and tool free, and great to work with when you have an active mind… this is a whole system.

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Thanks

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I think you should see this as a good trait in yourself. Thinking a lot is not necessarily a problem unless you get off track in what you are attempting to achieve.

With your very strong mind and internal dialogue, geared towards achievement, well, you should be utterly unstoppable.

If you reign in your thoughts to choose the positive more often than the negative then you will see improvements along the way. Thinking deeply into a situation might be the very thing that works for you… as long as you tune your thoughts into succeeding.

Since you say you think a lot why not try reading some Neville Goddard and take a look at @anon97554939’s topic on using your energy to implant thoughts into others?

These approaches might work better for you than rituals and with Keteriya’s technique (and you don’t always have to put the thought into others minds, you can simply create the thought as something you want to be) you can use the fact that you think a lot to help you build new realities.

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Try this, do it for 1 month at least than try to some ritual or spells.

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“ I don’t really believe that they will help me, ”

That’s why.

I empathize, I was a materialist atheist academic before I got into all this. I laughed at people like me, how gullible, etc.

Fast forward …

I felt like I was losing my mind. All these terrible things happened to me and my life was miserable and I couldn’t understand why. I was in psychological agony.

Then one time I stumbled upon an article about how these “mental symptoms “ I kept having could be interpreted as spiritual attack. I was so desperate, I cried out mentally for help and protection and IMMEDIATELY everything was fine. Like a switch.

After that I made the conscious decision to suspend my judgment. I decided to try out this occult stuff that I was drawn to when I was a kid but had scoffed at as an adult.

So I did what good scientists do and researched the fuck out of magick. I also contacted an old friend who had always claimed to do magick (I used to tease her about it) and asked a lot of questions.

So I made the conscious decision to to believe in the reality of spirits and the truth of magick and energy beyond our current abilities to measure objectively.

I did some sigil work from the GoM book and all of it worked. So I said to myself, it doesn’t matter if this is “really” magick, or just coincidence and my imagination, but life is getting better, there’s a whole new world to explore, I’m starting to get what I want so, I choose to believe.

I’ve had to juggle my thoughts and bracket things off. It’s a true suspension of disbelief. The better I get at this, the better the magick seems to work. It’s definitely true that I sometimes am pleasantly surprised when results come out of the blue when I’m not even thinking about them. And grateful.

Magick does work but it is fundamentally subjective. I’ve experienced SO many incredible things, but if I had not experienced them and had heard them from anyone else I would think they were nuts. Really.

So that all being said, maybe you could read through the GoM sigil book and try a few simple things. Believe it will work, you’re hacking the universe. The sigils are the technology, tap into that tech using the recommended methods.

And practice! I said they worked, but that doesn’t mean they worked instantly or on the first try.

Oh and try different traditions! For example, I don’t mesh with Wicca or witchcraft. It just feels wrong to me, all the stuff and the rhyming. I don’t think I could get a single magickal result if I tried witchcraft. That’s just a quick example, but maybe you’ll mesh with energy work, or draconian magick, or mental magick, or chaos based magick, or ceremonial magick, or root magick, or Christian magick, or Daoist magick, or Egyptian magick, or rosary magick, or crystal magick … see my point?

That is if you want to try magick again at all. If you truly read through the magick books cover to cover (this is actually really important in magick) and you just feel done then find something else to focus on and forget about magick right now. If it’s for you get pulled back into it eventually.

And I just blessed you with magickal results. That is, I did if you believe I did. Otherwise, in your world, I definitely didn’t.
:fire::notes::two_hearts::pray:t2:

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expectations are a bitch

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Lightly seems you are in conflict with yourself. Iou can just unite your parts “one by one”. Like do or not do but don’t be confused. If you allow freedom from conflict you will see clearly all your partis. This is the right way of opening chakras, suppressed desires.
H know your mind, is a seeker of perfect balance, but only in like 20 years can somebody reach Lillumination into the Heart of Divine Mother and reach Ascension if you cat.
This clear, light, ordered way is the only way I can imagine it.

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Tbh maybe this kind of approach might not be for you if you just cant seem to get it right, but thats nothing to be down about. There are many different approaches to spiritual development, and all of them are just as valuable and beautiful as this one. Like for me, i have the opposite dilemma as you…i manifested a fuck ton of shit i dont even want all so methodically and precisely blended in with everything i could ever desire. In a way ALL my manifeststions come true, good as well as bad (thankfully my underlying intention comes from a genuine place of sincerity…otherwise i would have been fucked for sure). Im saying this because for some people, this is basically like the only real option we have, yet for others, this might not be the best path for you. Maybe your higher self is intervening for your highest good :man_shrugging: idk…but definitely dont give up on your spiritual journey regardless. On a side note, there is an amazing book called the Prosperity Bible. It contains like over 10…maybe 20…classics on manifeststion and whatnot. Maybe you will find something there thst will help. Also check out Nature of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts

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I like rituals. It’s very beautiful and symbolic, especially Ceremonial Magic, the best ritual work I’ve ever seen. I’m sure you want to help, but I could. Ceremonial magic is the basic magic that a magician must master. To be honest, I’m offended that I still can’t, and I’m even very ashamed