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I will evoke him in a few days and I’ll let you know as soon as I have any kind of results.
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Well it seems opportunity has come beating on my door. I received word today that my target has just had a surgery and will be having to get another one once he has recovered from the first. I’m almost giddy with the excitement of the possibilities. Given the specific opportunity of having a target in a weakened and vulnerable state. I’m debating between Methsan who kills by poisoning the lungs or blood (opportunity for an overdose of anesthesia) or Marbus to cause a fatal infection. Perhaps a combination to attack different aspects…Any suggestions?
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There are so many things that can go wrong in surgery, I’d probably choose a less specific entity who simply kills but in my request specify that the finishing blow be delivered whilst they are in hospital.
Post operative infection
Anaesthetic allergy or over dose
Heamorrhaging during surgery
Collapsed airways during intubation
It’s a fish in a barrel really
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As a health professional and on behalf of my profession, don’t fuck over the hospital people. If you’re going to kill your target, just kill them. Don’t get the staff implicated - a situation that a surgical/hospital death would create. Also, you will be giving a boon to your target’s family - if this person dies in the hospital, the family will get free money. Also, you’ll be directly adding to the expense of your country’s medical system.
Gotta think of the doctrine of double-effect, ya’ll. 
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Also, if you were to do it to one of my patients, I would probably try to remove the curse as a matter of course… Gotta watch out for pesky magicians working in hospitals. Bloody do-gooders.
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Redcircle, I wouldn’t intentionally cause an innocent person to be caught up in the situation. I was looking more at the potential incidents that can occur during surgery. Having gone under the knife myself a few times I know you have to sign wavers that you understand the risks involved, these risks are what I would like to exploit. As far as his family is concerned they would likely sue regardless of if they had a case or not, that’s just the kind of people they are.
As far as someone trying to remove or reverse a curse I always have countermeasures in place to protect myself when doing this type of work. If they were persistent then that would be unwise on their part as I’m to the point of not giving a damn and to hell with the consequences. This person has caused so much havoc in my life as well as the life of my family that my will and resolve to see this to the end will not be compromised.
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psht… go for something even more extravagant, like a long and painful healing process (which most surgery comes with anyhow), then bam, killed by marauding honey badgers cos they can’t hobble away fast enough. double irony, totally an act of nature.
that said, dra’talon’s presence is the most oppressive i’ve ever felt. do be careful if you choose to work with him, although i’ve not been made aware (in over 8 months) of the outcome of the ritual. at this point, i’m chalking it up as “not successful” because i shouldn’t have to see another birthday before i get what i want. on the other hand, the target packed up and moved way the fuck away from me in a matter of a couple weeks. not quite what i wanted but kinda a “good as” situation, if that counts. personally, i wanted to see the honey badgers 
-j
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Would you actually risk magical war to help a patient?
Working in health care my self, I think I would have to really like that patient to go beyond treating their physical concerns
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Would you actually risk magical war to help a patient?
Working in health care my self, I think I would have to really like that patient to go beyond treating their physical concerns[/quote]
Well, I’m a healer. I would at least try to push back against any malevolent forces working on them - in case they are just beset by parasites. After that, I dunno. I guess it would depend on the patient and the magician who is attacking them.
[quote=“tiberius_james, post:7, topic:155655”]psht… go for something even more extravagant, like a long and painful healing process (which most surgery comes with anyhow), then bam, killed by marauding honey badgers cos they can’t hobble away fast enough. double irony, totally an act of nature.
that said, dra’talon’s presence is the most oppressive i’ve ever felt. do be careful if you choose to work with him, although i’ve not been made aware (in over 8 months) of the outcome of the ritual. at this point, i’m chalking it up as “not successful” because i shouldn’t have to see another birthday before i get what i want. on the other hand, the target packed up and moved way the fuck away from me in a matter of a couple weeks. not quite what i wanted but kinda a “good as” situation, if that counts. personally, i wanted to see the honey badgers 
-j[/quote]
Thanks for the heads up on Dra’talon. I have cursed this prick before but he’s so fucking resilient. Last time he went bankrupt, almost homeless, totaled his car and had a mass begin to form in his airway that had to be removed in the span of about 3-5 months. Every time someone comes along and bails his ass out of the jam he’s in. Even in that time he was dealing with all that he has consistently found time to fuck with my family. He doesn’t try to mess with me directly, he always goes through the people I love. Dra’talon was the equivalent of the honey badger for me…or at least a sex crazed gorilla wielding a pipe wrench.
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Soundwave is right, there are so many things that can go wrong in surgery but Redcircle is right as well.
But your enemy’s weakened state is something you shouldn’t miss. There are other ways to mess with his health, not directly linked to the surgery he’s going to get. For example you can go for some cancer type. He’s going to be most vulnerable when he’s on the operation table, all the drugs for the anaesthesia force the mind (and body) to be open to various alterations.
As for Dra’talon, I’ve evoked him and the only thing I know right now about the person that the working was directed at is that he behaves in a strange way and he’s having fights with everyone. I’ll wait for more results of course.
During the evocation I became aware (mentally) of a date which is in about three weeks from now. I asked what this means but I got no answer back. So now I don’t know if this means that what I want will happen in 3 weeks or if I should repeat the ritual at the given date.
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Thanks for the update Nereid as well as the suggestions. I will likely meditate on an appropriate entity for this task as I have a few weeks minimum before he has his next surgery.
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on a more esoteric note, the act of getting surgery is one of healing at the very core of it all. something less healthy like eating fast food or driving strikes me as being more conducive to accidents. although more people die in hospital than anywhere else, there’s still a strong current of benevolence which may run counter to your goals. there’s usually a lot of malevolent feeling when alcohol’s involved, though. maybe something involving a night out? far more dangerous than surgery, in my opinion. and public transport, too. that’s hella dangerous.
-james.
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I wouldn’t be so sure about that benevolent current, mainstream medicine is set up so that more people die then what would normally occur. I mean sure some benevolent people work at hospitals but thats not all there is to it.
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Good point Defectron, I think the view of the healthcare industry in its current state is nowhere near what it was a decade or so ago. It seems much more of a money game when people without insurance are treated with a considerably lower level of care than those who do have it. I don’t know of many in the healthcare industry that feel the administration at their job is looking out for the best interest of the patient. I understand it is a business and that in the harsh economic times one has to be shrewd to survive but sending people home with subpar health care should not be condoned.
A friend of mine who works law enforcement had to pick a guy up just the other day who was suffering from mental health problems. They found out that the guy had earlier that day went to a low income psychiatric clinic complaining of suicidal thoughts, and a history of clinical depression. They sent him to see a specialist and was sent home with a contract that he promised not to hurt himself. My friend picked him up due to calls of him being heavily intoxicated and cutting himself with a broken bottle. When he was taken back to the same clinic it was more or less implied that had this man had insurance he would have been kept for observation and treatment during the first visit he made.
Stories like the one above happen all the time and have had a negative impact on how people perceive the medical industry. I think this in turn would have a negative impact on the collective unconscious of a hospital, it may be more greed based or just much less benevolent than what it was just a few years ago.
true, true, but at the end of the day, even if medicos are only in it for the money, their actions are such as to promote health and recovery. we’re not talking about morals as much as we are about the approach (which vibrates and resonates on the astral). even someone who hates their medical job is still acting in a manner so as to benefit patients (assuming they go to work, albeit reluctantly). conversely, and more illustratively, corporations such as the fast food chains (and the power of their sigil logos) have no interest in health whatsoever, and in fact work quite opposite to its cultivation.
on a less personal level, as flawed as the healthcare system of any one country may be, the notion of hospital = recovery will always stand, and the idea that doctor = healer will always be around, even if the individual hospital or doctor is less than reputable. my point is, although surgery has certain risks, i don’t think the astral vibration of a theatre room is entirely conducive to baneful magic. the trip to/from a hospital (again, barring the ambulance which most likely wouldn’t resonate sympathetically, either) would probably be more conducive to a magically induced accident. on a simpler level, if the home of the target is one of discord and domestic strife, infection would naturally be far more likely in such an unpleasant atmosphere than that of a hospital with not only hygiene protocols, but the overbearing egos of highly educated and confident medical professionals. and the ego has a profound influence on the astral, at least in its immediate vicinity. in fact, the strength of the ego often determines possession/obsession etc!
just thinking out loud…
-james.
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Extrapolating from the above thoughts, perhaps work to have you target prematurely discharged from hospital due to insurance issues, a current I think we can all agree is malevolent and then be overcome by post-op infection upon returning home.
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Tiberius James and Soundwave you both bring up good points and I appreciate you guys giving your input. There are many options to choose from and many angles to attack from. I’m still leaning towards Dra’talon as he is simply an assassin and can work from the most advantageous position at his disposal.
My targets job is one that has a constant potential for violence to erupt (works in a prison). Perhaps a demon to incite his death at the hands of another would work well.
I will continue to contemplate the possibilities for now, and will have made my choice by the middle of April. I will post updates and results of my workings. Thanks again for all the great insight.
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please do make sure you update us on dra’talon including as much detail as you can remember. i’ve had very palpable evocations with him, but i have not received word of his having acted on my behalf. his energy is extremely easy to evoke, but almost senseless and mute, so communication is a little difficult at times.
if you have success in employing him, please share what you feel to be the determining factor (energy raised, point of gnosis, weak target etc).
it has been said in the past that astaroth and murmur are particularly good at assassination, while connolly’s new book also mentions murmur as being of particular value in rending the veil between life and death (in that he may be used to facilitate necromantic workings).
kind regards, james.
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