Experiences with Dra'talon v2.0

Black Magick & The Left Hand Path
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As I am still waiting to see the results of my evocation I contacted another entity for a number of reasons, one of them being that I am very weak at divination and I couldn’t make any sense from the visual impressions I was getting. So I contacted that entity for some advice and guidance on the matter. I also asked what the date I saw (which I mentioned in a previous post) meant and I received the answers I wanted through a series of dreams that served as the clarification of what was happening during my evocations for the entity.

The entity told me that Dra’talon is already working on it but there are other things that should be taken care of first. The date I was given is supposedly good (planet/energy wise) for the working but I can’t be sure about it since I have no prior experience with such things.

In one of the dreams, I saw a man who I intuitively identified as Dra’talon and he told me "your goal is not only killing, eh?"
I woke up saying to myself that of course my goal is to kill my target and move on with my life but I was very confused. That night while I was at my part-time job, a song was played, a song that I know but it was as if nothing else was happening around me for some seconds, it was a strange feeling. The song says “bind, torture and kill” and I realised that that’s what I wanna do. And I think that that’s what Dra’talon meant, maybe by wanting to do other things first I am not allowing for the killing to happen.

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a couple spirits of the necronomicon are said to kill in most “unnatural ways” and to inflict great suffering. maybe you could employ one of those entities to exorcise your sadistic proclivities? that’s what i’d be doing, if only for fun:)

you can check moon and planet correspondences online to figure out the significance of your date. do post if you discover anything interesting. personally, i’ve not heard back about my work with dratalon but i’m inclined to work with him again as i find his manifestation to be quite… extreme and rather straightforward.

are you able to say which other entities you’ve worked with in this regard? if not can you at least provide some details as to effects?

-james

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This is the first person I will have attempted to kill with magick. I have cursed before but always used rootwork methods and just called a non specific spirits of destruction or hate kind of oration and then it was more to fuck their life up than to kill. I’ve worked with spirit sigils before with success but not for this type of work. For some reason I’m having trouble staying in theta-gamma for an evocation. Once I get in theta-gamma I feel like it I’m slipping in and out and I’ve been trying to get where I can hold the trance for a period of time before evoking.

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I’ve never really worked with spirits of the Necronomicon, I was thinking about working with a spirit from Kingdom of Flames for this issue. I hope that this will soothe my desire to inflict suffering and will allow me to proceed with Dra’talon.

you can check moon and planet correspondences online to figure out the significance of your date. do post if you discover anything interesting.
Nothing interesting so far... However while I was looking into it I thought that maybe it's not a date significant for me but a date when my target will be naturally predisposed to a negative outcome. I don't know if that's possible at all, but I can't explain the significance of the date in any other (rational) way. I guess that the only thing I can do is to perform the evocation on the given date and I'll try to ask Dra'talon why it had to be done on that date.
are you able to say which other entities you've worked with in this regard? if not can you at least provide some details as to effects?
Are you asking about which entity I called for guidance on my issue or for something else?

I’m facing the same issue with the theta-gamma sync and it gets worse when the spirit manifestation is about to happen. For me usually a few breaths while focusing on my third eye are enough to get me back to the sync but by then the spirit’s image is gone and I can only perceive its precence around me.

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yeah, sorry, i meant the entities you contacted for clarification. i’m only curious. if you can’t disclose details, that’s fine.

can you post the date again? i’d be interested in looking into it myself for any correspondences i can find. i’ll post back ASAP with whatever turns up. that way, you’ll have an impartial observer making the associations, not your own subconscious.

and i don’t know why you guys are having so much trouble with trance once you’re able to get into it. obviously, keep breathing, meditating, relaxing etc. maybe get deeper before actually evoking (poetry or litany etc is great for stimulating the senses and bypassing the conscious mind. it’s a form of trance in itself and when combined with even a mild desire to enter this kind of trance, it just kicks into gear). if you need pointers, start with edgar allen poe’s The Raven. i know it’s a cliche, but it’s very long, dark and easily read. read it out loud and slowly like a prayer. after a couple stanzas your mind will go blank even while you keep reading (make sure you use candles and incense to get the proper subconscious response to environmental simuli). actually, try and clear or settle your mind while you read. the rhythm will become all-encompassing. other suggestions could be parts of milton’s paradise lost (if you’re feeling super adventurous), or the first and second enochian keys. start with english and then go on to enochian. if you don’t know how to pronounce the enochian, it will ruin the effect, but even crowley noted how well they worked for evocation.

and you may not be losing the image of the spirit. well, either you are, and you need to be deeper into trance, or they’ve not fully manifested and need to be brought further out of the astral. you meet somewhere in the middle, but the further you bring them out (i.e, through your own energy-raising practises), the lighter in trance you need to be. also, just accept the fact that they will fade in and out most of the time. if you can’t see them, just listen, and vice versa. it’ll all sort itself out if you relax and persist somehow.

when all i can perceive is their presence, i just start chatting to them and i can feel (more than hear) their responses pushing through the back of my skull (i know there’s a chakra there. i also forgot the name of it).

there was a thread recently about dark mist meditation. that kind of work is really great for switching between the physical and the astral. if you are familiar with the practise, get real good with it and “switch it on” when you feel like you’re losing touch with a spirit. with one inhalation of the darkness in visualisation, you can push your senses deeper into the astral than before. if you’re not familiar with the exercise, it’s an easy one to learn.

-james.

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Thanks for the tip James. I’m currently reading WOD and the OAA material working through the exercises hoping to build my trance strength and duration. Even when charging sigils I’ll drift in and out of the trance state seeing the room twist and flex around me, feeling the atmosphere pushing and pulling against me and I’ll drift back to normal and have to start over. I can meditate to the point of feeling weightless and tumbling through realities, I can invoke omnipotence and feel power running through me but as soon as I try to focus on what I’m doing I lose it and have to work it back up.

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I’ll use your suggestions for the sync James, thanks a lot.

The entity is Adakamon (Kingdom of Flames) but for some reason that I still don’t know he is only willing to answer questions without getting involved any further. But his help has been valuable so far.

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ask him why he won’t get involved. i’d be interested to know

-j

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[quote=“tiberius_james, post:27, topic:155655”]ask him why he won’t get involved. i’d be interested to know

-j[/quote]
I’ve had a pretty intense evocation experience with him but unfortunately I was able to catch only a glimpse of him. However I asked five questions and I wrote down the answers.
It seems that he doesn’t want to get involved because “that’s not what he usually does”.

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the main reason i’ve found for spirits not wanting to help out is, as you say, because it’s not what they usually do. the best bet would be to sound out another spirit more suited to the task. being respectful and offering them a shot of whiskey also helps.

-j

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[quote=“tiberius_james, post:29, topic:155655”]the main reason i’ve found for spirits not wanting to help out is, as you say, because it’s not what they usually do. the best bet would be to sound out another spirit more suited to the task. being respectful and offering them a shot of whiskey also helps.

-j[/quote]
I don’t really mind that Adakamon doesn’t want to do the task because he’s proven helpful in other ways.
I’ve found another spirit to do what I want and my goal now (following Adakamon’s advice) is to create an opportunity for Dra’talon to act instead of giving Dra’talon his task and have him wait until the opportunity appears.

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just make sure that you don’t trade a murder charge for a manslaughter one:)

also, are you using the additional info for KoF that’s in the CW when you evoke KoF spirits? the last chapter about retaining the service of the grand spirits or something. i’m afraid i don’t have my CW with me for a page reference but it’s the last chapter (two pages) in the KoF section.

-james.

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Unfortunately I don’t own the Complete Works so if it’s something not mentioned in KoF I don’t really know what you’re talking about :slight_smile:

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ahhhh okay okay:)

it’s just a two-page thing that has a passage to be spoken etc. something about the spirits being unruly and how they mess with the vibrations of your life LOL. apparently they need to be “retained” in service and kinda made to promise not to fuck with shit. i only skimmed it when i received the book so i can’t remember details. i’ve never had a problem working with the KoF spirits, otherwise. well, nothing that wasn’t my fault for asking in the first place LOL.

-james.

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Thanks for the information James, I also haven’t had any problems with KoF spirits so far.

As a small update on Dra’talon, I think that he’s best able to do what he has to when the operator is really skilled. Otherwise another way to proceed is to work on as many details concerning your target’s death as possible prior to the evocation.

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[quote=“Nereid, post:34, topic:155655”]Thanks for the information James, I also haven’t had any problems with KoF spirits so far.

As a small update on Dra’talon, I think that he’s best able to do what he has to when the operator is really skilled. Otherwise another way to proceed is to work on as many details concerning your target’s death as possible prior to the evocation.[/quote]

Can you elaborate on that? I was always under the assumption the more details you provide the less likely it is to happen as you reduce possible ways for the work to manifest.

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What you say is correct (or at least that’s what I also know).
However what I meant (I’m sorry that I didn’t make it clear) was that it may be proven beneficial to spend some time beforehand to consider every aspect of the action you plan to take.
I don’t mean that you should force Dra’talon (or any other entity) to follow a strict route (I’m pretty sure though that advanced practicioners will be able to get as specific as they want, but I’m not there yet) because like you said this can be limiting.
Now please note that I am still learning the art of evocation and sometimes it’s very difficult for me to remain in the sync when I have to write things down. But anyway, Adakamon said that some spirits are quite open to suggestions and timeframes. This doesn’t mean that they will do exactly what you want just because you ask them to do it. But if you want faster results maybe giving some options (something like guidelines) to the entity will do the trick.
One of the very first things Adakamon has told me in a semi-awake state was that first you should kill your target on paper, then in your mind and then do the evocation.
That’s what I am planning to do and hopefully I will be able to give you a nice update about Dra’talon.

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i’ve always found great success in even informal workings of creative magic. maybe write and perform a funeral for your target? dress the part, have the dirge playing and recite the eulogy. of course, you’ll need some kind of representation like a coffin etc but you could probably make do with a wreath and a plaque of some sort (be creative and make a nice “sorry to hear you died” greeting card or something). at the beginning, evoke a dratalon (or whoever you prefer) to witness the event and bind to the energy you’re trying to cultivate.

i’ve used this for other things and it’s been unbelievably successful, even without evocation at all. there’s something special in the interplay of energies used in creation that goes way beyond the realm of push/pull energy transfer common to most forms of acquisition magic (i.e, law of attraction etc).

i haven’t been able to quantify it yet, but i know it’s different, much more intuitive and extremely efficient than anything i’ve used in the past. incorporating evocation into it is a simple matter. if you can’t be bothered with a full funeral, have a representation (wreath/flowers) and write a long poem as a sort of eulogy. even bad poetry activates the deeper creative centres of the brain.

-james.

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That’s a great idea actually.
What I was planning was to write down a description of how I want things to happen and the feelings involved before and after my target’s death and read it out loud during the evocation.
I think that performing a funeral will be more effective than simply reading out a text.
But if I combine it with the evocation, should I have the representation items positioned in my circle or out of it?

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I’ve got a funeral ritual that’s designed to work along the same lines as what TJ described. I’ll post it up later, I feel like shit and will have to go through a couple notebooks to find it.