@Epiphanes his is very interesting and enlightening. Thank you!
My view was referring to the Christian god which you said is instead Adonai. But from my interactions with Grand Master Aposton/Belial and with the Ax Tenebrae Ornagga legion the true form of the main entity behind Christianity, is that of a massive cosmic inter-dimensional worm that enters various universes and slowly consumes them starting with the mental and spiritual layer of those universes.
This worm’s name is Keteron and it is not found in any of this world’s history since i’m taking the approach from the view point of the world Nadharkis.
Anyway where are we headed with this? Cause this has become waaay off topic… Yeah the discussion was about the difference between Enochian angels and classic angels.
From my spiritual journeys the Enochian angels seem to be similar to the demons in many ways as they have their own way and will that they do except they are so much more aggressive and destructive than my beloved demons.
Enochian angels are normal angels on steroids that suffer from lack of wisdom(<-this was a pointless insult to their agressive and egocentric nature ) and DANGEROUS temper tantrums…
The classic Christian angels seem to be a type of servimons that work for the Christian god. They are all covered in all kind of hippie BS that they are all loving and offer unconditional help in the name of the G man. Which is not true at all… They actually are also aggressive as shit and should not be summoned just to say hello…
Dunno. Never really called them. i was just feeling their energy. They don’t like being called to work on their day off (that’s every day)
If you are willing to risk it then make sure you know how to control those motherfuckers or else…
Edit: ESPECIALLY if you are an entity of darkness. Them being of light and all… you see the conflict right?
Enochian angels seem to care a lot about your core being.
If you feel like your core being is a demon of primal darkness like me, then even if you do work with light, the Enochian bullies will smite your ass if you are not careful. From what i feel you seem to have a pretty dark core like mine so be extra CAREFUL!
If you are looking to work with them then summon Lucifer to help you along the path of mastering your darkness first so that you can create light and manipulate it like He does. When you can command light from darkness then you could control the Enochian angels
Brother Lucifer seems to be able to create light and control it but at His core is made of pure and primal darkness. He holds in Himself a deep sympathy and love for life and his spiritual brothers/sisters.
From one of my journeys i found out that Mighty Brother Lucifer created, at one point, a civilization on the other side of the galaxy that were shining brighter than most stars and quasars in the darkness of the universe, but at their core were dark as the void.
Brother Lucifer:
“I can tear to shreds an army of a billion and one Enochian angels with one hand tied at my back and my eyes closed. The true power lies in true darkness for out of darkness light was made! I am the God of true light for i am creating it!”
@nikki … Regarding angels, much like demons, there is a chain of command, and every angel can be balanced or imbalanced. The latter is the first form of dickhead treatment; the second form is by not commanding them as you would with planetary spirits. If you get their archangels to see things your way, you may get more cooperative angels. Keep in mind they’re led by an ultimately strict dick.
Adding onto what @anon20147451 said, there’s also this if you need specific instructions. Keep in mind, it’s not the ONLY way to call upon him, but it is one way.
“Angels will only pay lip service to “God” if the magician expects them to.”
Then why do we use the Names of God to summon or evoke Angels?
Some of my thoughts on it:
In a lot of work with Angels we use the Name’s of God. This always bothered me because he seems like such a Tyrant (and in my opinion an impostor and not GOD aka All That Is, the power in and behind all things. But then I thought maybe the Impostor taught how to work with the names of GOD, but then claimed to be GOD when he was not GOD but just a God or entity. Much like if I taught people the LOA which does work but then told them it was me that was making it happen and they had to worship me and follow my rules for it to work.
PS: I’m new here and fairly new to Magick especially working with Lucifer which I just did for the first time calling on him to help me in my current situation since calling on Enki and Shiva brought me a lot of peace. I have also worked with Angels and gotten some but limited results also. Kind of like I feel they want me to do it on my own also to learn a lesson.
And word yahweh, there are many debate about how to pronounce this word/name
Some people say yehovah
Some people yahuah
Some people yahovah
Some people yahuvah
Yahuveh
Yahweh
Etc etc
Because in ancient israel there are no vocal words!
The yahweh is just one of many “assumption” of YHVH word (yod heh vav heh)
So israeli now only spell adonay! Adonay means LORD/master!
Israel is same like egyptian they fuse two different gods in one form
For example
Amun and ra become amun ra
Atum and ra become atum ra
Sobek and ra become sobek ra
So Yahweh or YHVH and El/Elohim become YHVH elohim! And israeli make YHVH Elohim as their one and only God
But monotheism tradition is not only from israel! For example egyptian make Amun Ra as their one and only god! Akhenaten make Aten as one and only god and kill all amun ra worshiper!
So all gods from cannaanites pantheon become ephitet of YHVH for example elyon (most high) become epihtet of YHVH elyon (god of most high) zevaoth/sabbaoth become YHVH zevaoth (god of ruler of heavenly host) shaddai become YHVH shaddai (god of almighty)
Hmm i dont think so
Im curious that yahweh is not true yahweh!
Maybe yahweh who christian believe is not true yahweh
Yahweh itself its just one of many “assumption” pronounciation from YHVH word some people say yehovah some people yahuah etc
I ever heard from someone here that he work with Allah (moslem god) but he said Allah is not like Islamic teaching god, so mohamad corrupt Allah concept just conquer other arab tribes under his foot ! He is like Akhenaten he use Aten as one and only God of egyptian and kill all amun ra worshipper! But i ever read the book that say maybe mohamad as islamic prophet is just fictive people! And islam is just arab tool to conquer the world in the name of Islam (basically in the name of Arab)
So i start to think maybe orthodox jews just corrupt the concept of YHVH!
Demon is more powerful than angel? Hmm i dont know because i never see them fight each other like in UFC lol
For lucifer word
Lucifer is only found in King James version bible
Lucifer word basically is nebuchadnezar in the verse context
Nebuchadnezar as king of babylon described as morning star
But lucifer is basically ancient roman god Phosphoros Lucifer - Wikipedia
So i think the concept of spirit now was created by human (it was called Mythology)
So its all about personal opinion for example
Hades in greek myth is feared or even evil God
But pluto in roman myth No
Ares is brutal God but basically weak he is son of zeus and hera
But in roman myth
Mars is good god military god and son of juno not jupiter!
So its all about personal opinion!
Some people say demon is fallen angel or ex angel so basically demon is an angel
Azazel is grigori or watcher group of special force angel maybe like a SEAL or SAS
But maybe in my opinion basically there is no war in heaven! Demon/ex angel just leave the heaven or whatever you call it, because they have different agenda in universe, and they seek the darkness power in universe! Meanwhile in archangel world darkness is taboo (maybe)
Its just my personal opinion
So i think stronger or weaker concept its very ambiguous! Because maybe Fighting concept in the spirit world is not like in human world lol
Some people say (i forget) lucifer say michael is his brother and he say dude dont mess with him and all seraphim order
Bill Duvendack‘s Enochian Grimoire called Dark Fruit is coming out this month.
I expect a lot of from him, considering Enochian magick. Highly exerienced and educated magician, imo.
You forgot the bit about your test of faith…
Have you never questioned the idea why it is EASIER to follow your own interests and ‘do something else’ than it is to follow the divine? Why are they p*ssed when you act christian?
They know, you will if you continue your path become something they can never be - Divine yourself.
You are to get better each life, get better each level, become higher beings, become gods (youre ont he become god website right) - Gods answer to noone. The offer no sacrifice to anyone once God like
Damon Brand and the Gallery of Magick just came out with an Enochian angel magick book Wednesday (March 11, 2020). I already bought it and started reading. Not far enough along yet to have an opinion. Just FYI in case some like Brand and GOM take on magick.
) and DANGEROUS temper tantrums…
