Does Use Of Pornography Harm One's Magick?

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@succupedia, @Rav, I agree w/ you guys. I mean, in the course of this discussion, it is pertinent to differentiate the different types of porn there are.

There’s straight porn, lesbian porn (a lot of which may cater to hetero males), bi(sexual) porn, gay porn, solo porn/webcam shows, nude photos. And you’ve got the usual type of porn (lovemaking, two partners), orgies (three or more partners) vs. the more hardcore/extreme stuff (violent S&M, bondage, piercings, fisting, urethral sounding, whipping, piss, scat, abduction/rape fantasies, etc.).

And there’s also a market for artistic porn, movies that are better defined as erotica than plain porn (Socalled’s The Housesitter is one example of it). And there are all those sexually charged mainstream movies (such as Body of Evidence, Basic Instinct, Basic Instinct II, etc.).

Should we really put all of that in the same basket? And even speaking of the most extreme types of porn… I have an occultist friend (a dedicated Theistic Satanist) into that (and also into softer erotica), and he’s still quite balanced, and all that sexual energy is used to fuel his magick.

For those interested, here is his website: http://www.collectorsrealm3.com/.
More extreme links: [spoiler]http://www.collectorsrealm3.com/Videos/, http://www.collectorsrealm3.com/?s=satanic[/spoiler]

Some of his postings are very occultic and hardcore at the same time. I guess that it all pertains to one’s balance and use of time.

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I suppose one hand has to tend to the microscope.

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Not into porn, but I take that to be a good thing. Would mean my sexual impulses have less subconscious impact on the interaction.

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Vegetarians, vegans, etc all try to eat healthy and natural so obsessively they destroy their physical and mental health in the process not too mention environmental destruction in some cases. What Irony heh? I am sure there are other groups whose names I can’t really remember that have their own issues… some that have very dedicated diets but in the process have attached certain ideologies as to the reasons why… hmmm perhaps they are not mentally mature enough to do without some form of self imposed shackle. This is not dependent on physical age either mind you.

Anything can be an addiction that destroys and weakens the self even spirituality and magick can lead to it if not carefully managed and guarded against and those are excellent ways to move beyond the common weaknesses that afflict most people.

You have people that obsessively avoid modern medicine and use only natural alternatives and end up screwing themselves over with it, you have people who are the complete opposite, you have a lot in between that screw it up as well.

It might be safer to say that everything screws people up because people themselves are screw ups until they fix their problems and move past them and can moderate themselves and their own reactions.

In all cases over indulgence or obsession is the flaw and if you remove one source of it people will find something else to latch onto every single time unless they truly are willing to put forth the effort to mastery of themselves.

As @Enlightener said so aptly:

Which ultimately applies to every single thing we do or think about.

PS.
If you do wish to continue this then be aware that as of tomorrow I likely won’t be on for quite a while. Today is effectively one of my break days to spend time however I feel like. So if I don’t reply its because I have moved on to continue my work.

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Or that both people and special interest groups seek out existing weaknesses to exploit, and manufacture addictions where none existed before for each kind of personality type, and every possible human weakness.

Okay, good luck with the move. :+1:

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No, we shouldn’t, and I revert to this

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Yet if one is aware of their own will and power and able to apply it and reached that state of self awareness through their natural evolution despite obstacles then these special interest groups have very little to no hold on that person that they do not choose to allow. That is what I am getting at here. At some point such things cease to have an effect on the individual and ultimately ascension or however you wish to phrase it is an individual thing and not a collective thing.

In my opinion and experiences collectives are always slaves with no exceptions beyond those that are outside of that state but travel within to benefit for themselves under a guise. Such as one of us that does not let them influence our minds having a job for the ease of access granted by physical wealth.

Ultimately people will always exploit others. Even we do this for our own personal goals. The scale is the only variable and depends on those involved and what is large scale to the perspective of some if rather small to others.

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I believe my only dignified response at this point would be something along the lines of “your momma sure didn’t need a microscope last night.” :rofl:

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According to Xbox live, she spends her whole life shagging. Guessing she doesn’t even need to see it at this point

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“Despite obstacles.”

So in an ideal world, would schools addict all children to, for example, heroin, so that only the strong could break free and… yadda-yadda?

To use a much-maligned word, diversity is a survival trait, adaptive and evolved, for example some people are super-tasters (who spotted out poisons for the tribe), others are not, they could just enjoy any old food and get a survival benefit from being willing to eat a bit more indiscriminately.

Some people gain fat fast, others put on calorie-hungry muscle very rapidly, and again, the only explanation is that having different types of people all at once is favourable to human survival through different aeons and climatic conditions.

But yeah let’s throw anyone who can’t handle pornification of society, and zero warnings as to the addictive nature of porn, and who will see it on their phones long before maturity, under the bus, because the human right to make toxic product that is known to hijack the mind far exceeds anything else we could aspire to. :man_shrugging:

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Do you have the right to say what is a toxic product when it involves something as subjective as the mind and its response? Do you have the right to restrict others creating what they wish to create? And if you do then do they not conversely have the right to do just what you have listed.

You want to use extreme examples yet in so doing you revert back to individual skills and abilities.

None of these form a collective but are examples of the individuals within a collective with their own consciousnesses that are not in full part of the collective but on some level partially free and possibly partially under the thrall of the collective consciousness just as every individual.

Heroin has purely subjective effects on mind like porn? Because those effects on the brain come from the change of mental state while Heroin goes straight for the physical body and then the mind. That is like saying a video that is depressing should be compared to dipping your hand in acid in how it affects people.

Yet even heroin can be overcome if one chooses to do so. We both have no doubt heard of people able to use their will and power to cure all manner of diseases practically overnight such as cancer and other terminal illnesses. Perhaps you are underestimating the potential power and will the average person can use once they wake up and pull their mind out of the gutter. Especially when it comes to control over their own body.

In fact your own argument about diversity discounts your argument about the dangers posed by porn as among that diversity are many that are not susceptible and not subject to those dangers. So again the individual will tend to excel when measured against the collective which operates as a single entity in such cases which is what we as magicians are actively moving ourselves away from on our own paths. Which is what everyone will do in their own way in their own time.

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Yes when it’s verifiable that research is conducted into how to remove free will by making a thing more addictive.

Yes, I do have that right.

I could post so many examples that blow this out of the water - I’ll stick with a hypothetical model: that of creating traps on the pavement that inject you with a poison and then text your phone, saying if you don’t pay (insert average weekly wage in location) you cannot have the antidote, and so you’ll die.

Big lols, right?

Only the weak who are struggling die, and hey, it motivates others to save. Willing buyer (didn’t buy the special goggles needed to see the trap), willing seller! :+1:

Because society is extremes within a mass, as explained in the diveristy-of-talents example I gave.

The extreme examples I give are what I think are harmful (especially to magicians) - not some couple filming themselves humping and uploading it.

But harmful to society = harmful to magick, since we all do have an innate quest for spirit contact, to control our reality by non-ordinary means (anyone who has ever played a lottery) and so on.

Magicians are not some privileged class who acn let Joe Normaltard fall into traps and walk away laughing, magick is our natural birthright, even the fuckwits among us.

I wasn;lt talking about consciousness and perception, but the very real and measurable differences we seem to need to exist, and thirve through setbacks.,

So, cool, inject kids and only the strong survive right?>

Do me the courtesy of debating this on the grounds offered.

No, I argue that whose who could fall prey to extreme and manipulative porn that has no warnings attached (negating “informed consent”) have equal value to a thriving and diverse societry as those who can use it and not be damaged by that use.

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I gotta fall back on my own slogan here. Everything is a tool. Everything is a trap.

You could easily make an argument that American magazines are evil and bad for you. A lot of the big ones were founded and staffed by CIA. The subliminal imagery in magazine ads is pretty much the only use of subliminals that has been thoroughly documented and analyzed in all its hideous glory. Any given American magazine is just a sleek little brainwashing tool…

But where do most people who are big into vision boards get the images to PUT on the board? They cut them out of magazines, anchor them to thought-forms and manifest them as physical experiences.

Everything, everything, everything comes down to whether you use the thing or the thing uses you, and it takes a lot of work to keep yourself oriented correctly and the correct orientation is generally seen as transgressive by the way. It’s the Demiurge dilemma – if you plug yourself into a ready-made thing, it is literally like unplugging your kundalini from your sahasrara and plugging it into some external vampire deity. Vampires just want energy.

We’re creators, not consumers. If you’re just sitting back consuming and analyzing other people’s things, you’re not creating your own thing. If you ARE creating your own thing, you won’t have time to sit around consuming and analyzing other people’s things because you’ll be too busy manifesting your own thing.

All these people using porn or hypnosis or whatever to manipulate people into being hot procurable bimbos are ultimately only doing it because they want to live in a world where there are lots of hot procurable bimbos for them to fuck. It’s just magick 101 - they’re exerting energy to manifest their own ideas/thought-forms/tuplas into the world. They’re putting out that Virtue vibration that will attract like-minded people and repel whiny moralizing analyzers. The whole secret is programming the thought-form with the right feeling. If you program the “crazy sex with a hot bimbo” thought-form with love, joy, and fulfillment then the experience of that emotion will be the signal that the experience has come to pass - it will be the signature vibration that defines the whole experience. Most people are stupid and program their “transgressive” desires with trangressive feelings. The problem is the construction, not the category or surface features of the experience being constructed.

To call back to my earlier point… We HAVE to come to terms with the fact that the narrative we tell ourselves about the world we’re living in literally determines what timeline we’re living on and what world we’re living in and what the content of the environment surrounding us is. Media and authority figures have tricked us into thinking that making pompous little “and that’s what’s wrong with the country” speeches does something constructive. What you are doing is hijacking your imagination and vishuddha chakra and creating/reinforcing these conditions you supposedly don’t want!! You have to create the thought-form you DO WANT, feel what you WANT to feel and aggressively, dominantly assert it over and over til the astral plane submits. This is the Taming of the Shrew. Starve the shrew of the things she feeds on and mind fuck her til she calls the sun the moon and an old man a beautiful virgin.

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Yeah but, hard back at you - you replied to MY OP.

Does that mean I am the Creator and you, merely the consumer?

:stuck_out_tongue:

So what creation is there that has mind-control in it? Why do you or I even register that it exists?

Why do we observe and interact with people who care about there being such a thing as entrapment to and via addiction (verifiable in the case of junk food, the Sacklers and opiate crisis, etc)?

The Divine Paradox looms… :wink:

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Then by the same virtue others have the right to produce such as they please.

People also have the right to oppose this as well.

Ultimately everyone has the right to do anything they want and people have the right to respond to it as they wish. The exercise of will and acceptance of the consequences thereof as others react.

I think this is where we majorly differ. The point is to evolve past the limitations and trappings of humanity and while everyone has the potential that does not mean they are all equal or even close based on how they choose to use that potential or if they choose to do so at all.

Harmful to society does not always mean harmful to magick. Magick is not dependent on society but once again the individual that will come to exercise the manifestation of their will in time whether by techniques we would call magick, psionics, prayer, etc or just sheer force of will and thought as in LoA. Often magick itself is harmful to society as it promotes freeing the magician from the bounds of society to fulfill his will regardless of what society has to say or what is good for the society. It falls down to the what is good for the Magician and those he or she cares about and everyone else is everyone else.

The individual will and good trumps that of society and others because it is always the individual fulfilling their will. Collectives direct that will towards common goals and forms and form mentally speaking homogeneous masses akin to hive minds usually to the benefit of such free individuals at the top doing the direction. If you choose to live in their world instead of making your own you are subject to their rules. If you choose to make your own you need only follow their rules as practically required and are free to break the system through means they cannot govern.

@anon31277086 has the right idea and probably expresses such right of freedom by all individuals to choose to be used or to create their own worlds.

I would say everything is paradox and because we use those very same means to our own benefit whether actively or passively. But that is my opinion as to that idea. The one you specifically asking will have his own ideas as well but thought I would chime in there while I was still typing.

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And be judged accordingly, if rights are being staked out and we’re no longer in a mythical fairyland, where everyone is doing their own thing, with no consequences, and completely beyond criticism.

So, in my hypothetical trap scenario, how do they oppose it?

Societies have tended to certain general ideals and to both encourage and repress certain kinds of behaviour.

A fact I mention in passing, and wonder whether you think whatever a society chooses by majority, is fine?

Literally how?

Can you go 10 days, being normal, without shitting?

I am here doing the stuff I do to drag down power and make it useful, if I just wanted to do floaty-ass “ascend above the phsyical, mere mortal” I could have done that LONG ago. (This shit)

So if I choose to randomly kill people, I can do this, and you support if with every bit of passion you poissess, because those people matter less than the minority (me) fulfilling my will?

Calling it a paradox is not a critique. I am referring to a very specific thing here, not just throwing out labels.

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The High Priestess.
Beth.
He is above all afflictions and fears.

The astral temple can only be taken by force. The lunar mind MUST be raped into submission by the Solar mind and forcibly impregnated with its thought-forms til it brings them forth to life. The astral body must be forcibly brought under the conscious control of the conscious mind. It WILL be under SOMEONE’s control. Can’t blame a flea for biting.

Look at Crowley’s Devil card. The thoughtforms/tulpas “potential children” in the testicals. The phalus is literally entering the akashic plane and raping the causal plane, i.e., raping god, to ejaculate its children and bring them into the world.

Three of Swords - Wands in GD decks. Virtue. Things of like vibration attract. Slaves attract masters. Girls who need to be validated by their abusive father fifteen years ago attract abusive guys who look and act like their abusive father fifteen years ago… It is not a flaw in the human mind, but the natural result of ignorance or refusal to acknowledge and adapt to the way the world we’re living in works. There’s no addiction that doesn’t respond to and fulfill some need.

Finally, that which is below is like unto that which is above. Something of lower vibration will submit and synchronize to something of higher vibration. There are no moral qualifiers.

Things are the way they are because at the moment more abusive people know and implement the rules than balanced people. Simple as that. Complaining about/fighting/exposing the situation just reinforces it by feeding it even more energy. A demiurge eats hatred just as greedily as love.

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Can’t blame humans for making pesticide, either.

Or, in this case, having visceral revulsion to the idea that people can create carefully researched addictive things and that anyone who falls into them is somehow meant to be destroyed.

Glad you’re with me on that, let’s see:

To which I reply:

And if Man, owing to half-wisdom, acts and lives and thinks of the Universe as merely a dream (akin to his own finite dreams) then indeed does it so become for him, and like a sleep-walker he stumbles ever around and around in a circle, making no progress, and being forced into an awakening at last by his falling bruised and bleeding over the Natural Laws which he ignored.

Things are measured by their results on this plane. Brainwashing porn that harms the weak will attract the displeasure of those who care; to try and metaphysics out of this is to ignore fundamental reality.

We are ALL more than our mortal shells, however, when playing the human game, we cannot stop halfway through and pretend there are new rules, which only we know, any more than a man playing baseball can pretend that sudddenly the rules of other games apply.

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What are you suggesting in practical terms, then? I obviously agree with you that some of these things tend to have harmful effects, but I don’t think banning them outright is the right way to go either, as it’s pretty unpalatable to have someone other than myself deciding whether I get to watch a pornographic movie, pop a pill, or eat that tasty donut with its delicious yet deadly carbs. IMO I should be free to do something even if others consider it bad. :man_shrugging:

I think increased awareness and education is the best way to go: the middle between the two extremes of a totalitarian anti-porn regime with its given black market on the one hand, and an orgiastic, Darwinian free-for-all on the other where twelve-year olds are mandated to watch the latest in forced bimbofication videos because only the sexually strong-minded shall inherit the Earth.

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EDUCATION would be a good start, which is why I dropped the links I did way above. Research, and measurable, quantifiable data exists.

Anything beyond that strays into politics I guess, but letting people share experiences and research, and debate openly, is the key, everything else is downstream from that. :thinking:

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