I am having a hard time understanding what people mean when they say karma doesn’t exist…what does that mean? does it mean people can do whatever they want or does the law of cause and effect exist for them…any help is appreciated.
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Indeed karma may exist in terms of cause and effect, i. e. the meaning it acquired is a moral one but, actually, karma is simply related to both “good” and “bad” behaviour having consequences.
For example in Hinduism and Buddhism reincarnation is due precisely to that, since usually thoughts/words/actions bind the individual.
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so you would say karma exists in a way that if you do good…good will come back at you…and if you do bad…bad will come back to you?
Well in my experience and observation Karma exist if you believe in it. Just like the cold reading of Astrology, it can have some good sides (for example, if you strongly believe that doing good will make the good come back to you it can happen, and so is doing “bad” will make bad things come to you; just like if you strongly believe that your astrological sign make you more attractive it will indeed make you like that) but it’s not a rule, and, for much of “injustice” it can seem is that bad people do harm and sometimes go unpunished, and not always doing good will make it come back to you. That’s my take!
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No. Under the hermetic principle “LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE” - if you keep your vibes high by doing good, and generally help to make you and your environment positive, you’ll attract more positive energy into your life, and vice versa.
But it’s not a given, in my opinion. Shit happens to good people, accidents happen, and bad people exist. I’m not in the “there are no accidents” camp, as I don’t see how you can have free will and that at the same time, and I believe free will is a thing and important, and also that chaos and randomness exists, hence, accidents happen and destiny doesn’t exist either - only patterns of probability.
I think “karma” is largely misused, in ways that obviously don’t make sense and aren’t even fair, and that leads people to dismiss the whole thing, which is also an oversimplification. I don’t use the term at all for this reason.
Just know like attracts like, or “birds of a feather, flock together” or think of the concept of resonance in physics - pluck one guitar string and the one next to it vibrates too. We are made of energy, and that energy tends to blend, influence and magnetically attract the energy of people and situations around us.
Bottom line: as a mage be careful of your thoughts and protect your energy, everything else follows from there.
Don’t forget the search for other opinions from guys not here right now: Some of them make the case for it being real, some are in between, they’re all good arguments…
https://forum.becomealivinggod.com/search?expanded=true&q=does%20karma%20exist
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There’s a lot to talk about this.
What most of people call “karma” today is a new age/christianized version of the original karma, made popular by Theosophy.
Karma for new agers is like a divine officer that will give/remove you points like you were an Hogwarts studient.
Karma in his eastern way is more complex. It’s about life lessons and deals with incarnations.
The law of cause and effect is basically “by dint of being a jerk there are more and more chances i get the risk of being punched in the face”.
As @Mulberry says, our thoughts are ofc hugely impacted by the law of cause and effect cause our brain always end to believe whatever we put in it ahhaa.
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You know, I am actually a sceptic if free will even exists… because if it did, I think our planet and civilisation would be alot more anarchic then it is today.
From an energetic point of view, I do feel on this planet there is a strong energy that directs people on certain paths on how they will live their lives.
Call it fate. Call it karma. Call it divine providence. I think of it more like the game “The Sims”. Sure, your Sims have some agency in their day to day lives but the big decisions is usually made by the player.
I know, its not exactly what individualists like to hear but I feel there is truth to it.
That said, I think it is because of soul evolution. The more advanced the soul, the more “freedom” they are allocated, the more they can use this freedom to grow.
Where as those souls out of “cowhood” so to say need a lot more guidance.
Which is another thing, the Michael teachings have a good idea on the explanation of souls and ages. I remain sceptical on some of their ideas but overall they are on point.
I don’t exactly disagree, but that’s why I speak of “patterns of probability”.
Something can be 99.9% probable and it’s going to feel completely inescapable and inevitable as if you have no choice - maybe not anymore, no.
But the truth is that didn’t develop in isolation, it’s part of a larger pattern that you could have changed if you worked that energy earlier - hence divination and magick. It comes down to knowing yourself and taking control of your energy, not just reacting all the time.
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Indeed what Auberon says… Why people often feel like karma doesn’t exist, is because they expect it to be some spiritual judge punishing people that do bad things.
It’s not that at all, wether it is bs or not. The principle of karma is more or less cause and effect on a cosmic scale.
It’s meant to convey the reason why people are born into certain situations. It is the cummulation of experiences you have and choices you make that dictate the type of situation you might incarnate into a next life. Either by cause and effect or you might even sort of choose to, to fullfil the experiences you have to have had in order to loosen your attachment to the wheel of life and ascend.
Unless you have greater knowledge and insights into your case and actively work on it, karma you build up isn’t even really meant to resolve itself in the same lifetime.
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so would you guys say the law of cause and effect doesn’t exist either?
That’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist…
I did a birth chart to a guy here last year around may or June 2023. He was anxious about his career job. He was practicing at that time Damon brand magick.
I told him you will get a good opportunity abroad only next year 2024 end September until then you will be confused, but before getting the job a spiritual mentor will pop up.
He dismisses it because waiting for a year was too long. He was doing his own ritual and also paid services to some very good magicians.
Nothing happened in 2023,
We kept talking on telegram
Last month he texted me that he was now in Sufism and found a spiritual teacher, since then things are
going fine and got a job opportunity abroad, he’s planning on travelling in August or September.
Karma is a foundation of who you are, you can either try to improve your life according to the life path you chose yourself before being born in on earth, you chose your guides that will be beneficial for you and those who may give you struggles in life to push you to get back on track according to your life mission.
You live here on earth for just 80-90 years. Your guides cannot sacrifice your spiritual evolution for a mere 80 years.
Karma works on your spiritual evolution.
If someone is not getting money, or a relationship, to live a decent life, that’s not karma but his lack of knowledge to have the basics in life.
No planets or Gods can remove the basic needs for you here on earth.
It’s not Karma who makes you but it’s you who made the karma. And planets or any other methods of divination are just the symbolic reflection of yourself
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In a sense what you are explaining is accurate yet at the same time it is also a prison of the person.
As you yourself said, the decision for the life that was created was made by the soul and its guides before the Human was even born.
That Human who grows up with no knowledge of who they are or what they signed up for is in my mind quite evil. Different entities before birth made the decision, not the individual in question.
However that may not be the case entirely. There could be other factors at play in how a life plays out. Factors that we just do not understand yet with our monkey brains. So who knows…
What is truth as the age old saying goes.
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This not a prison. Even if all the karma were cleared out right now, not everyone would live would realise their wishes at a certain period of time.
The things itself is people don’t like bad karma, they only want to good one.
I don’t think someone would come here complaining why karma is giving them 20 millions dollars 
, travelling whenever they want and enjoy life.
When things are okay 
: the gods are good, magick is good, planets are good,
But when suffering comes, it’s another story
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I don’t think any of them exist. It all depends how you program your mind to believe things that make them happen. If you don’t believe in it’s existence, it won’t affect you.
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what about treating others well…if we don’t have karma pushing us to be a better person to others…then what will
That’s the same excuse religion uses ;p
You really need an outside power to tell you not to be too much of an a-hole?
Behaving (more or less) within the boundaries of what is socially acceptable is basic primal (primate) nature. You don’t behave within those boundaries you get repercussions from “the tribe”. Wether it’s law enforcement, rejection from kin or a smack from mom.
Read “The Bonobo and the Atheist” by Frans de Waal for a great explanation on how we really don’t need a cosmic judge or a daddy alpha primate in the sky.
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Ourselves. The whole point is self-deification.
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sometimes i don’t know right from wrong…what do i do in this case if don’t really know how to act without some type of karma, religion, or hell telling me what to do? I feel like sometimes my nature is fucked up so idk what i should really do in that case…i just try to ignore it but its getting harder to ignore
The law of cause and effect does exist, it just works different in our material world than in the astral world. In our world most of the causes and effects have some linear motion, and you can trace where it starts and where it ends or will end, and with this… science is born, to study causes from our realm to understand the effects. In the astral world it’s not so simple to get a linear motion, just a simple thought pattern can increase or decrease an effect of a curse (a naturally pessimistic person may be easier to be cursed with) and so on, in the astral there are a lot of causes and can have a lot of effects.
You can curse a person with Marbas to make them sick, but the sickness or infection that they will be infected will vary (effect), and so is the cause (because you curse succeed due to several factors). And you know what? There’s a world or realm that the cause and effect does not exist. It’s called the Antiverse. So yeah… The Universe is a big place, and most of it’s territory (both astral and material) are still
undiscovered to the mankind.
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