The reason I practiced in the first place was to get a house of my own, get my independence, and leave my abusive family. If you could name any spirit, I probably worked with them. But unfortunately, things have been taking a turn for the worst after I left my family. I’ve had the worst financial problems, terrible luck, faced even more injustices offline and online, and now I’m either faced to take a predatory private loan to afford college or go back to my abusive mother and get abused again. Homelessness in my college town isn’t the best in the winter, the winds and rain gets heavy and unfortunately I haven’t been taking the meds I need bc I can’t afford them and homelessness is illegal somehow.
I’ve tried my hardest and even did spells and rituals while dealing with burnout and I still have found nothing. Jobs didn’t hire me, but that was fine and I understand. But the worst of it is that I don’t have the energy or the willpower to do more than I have done already. I hate my biological mother for being abusive and lying to everyone about me and using religion to justify her wrongdoings, but if I had stayed in the church, I probably would’ve already been married and having the house that I wanted for years. The people I went to church with are already married, they have their degrees, they have houses and support, and it really is saddening that I have to work thrice as hard to obtain at least one thing they have.
I agree, I see a lot of people get a lot of benefit from the church. Socially, and also has benefits with making connections based on this common interests.
There’s nothing to stop you from going back. I’ve gotten some help from my family sometimes even though they are very religious and I don’t really agree with their beliefs.
If you do get help it doesn’t automatically mean you’re emotionally invested in connecting with the people who are supporting you. And religious people benefit as well, so it’s not like you should feel obligation to believe in any of that stuff.
i dont mean to seem offensive or insulting but your reasoning for doing magick seems to be quite shallow. It could very well be the case that a spirit has pulled some strings in order to push you into struggle to gain more depth in your character and motivations for doing things, perhaps even a brand new path in life. It might be or it might not be. Contrary to what most people on here think, the spirits are fully capable of and absolutely willing to impede on your free will in favor of something more beneficial for you in the long term. it makes no sense for these spirits to be able to kill for you(impeding on targets free will) and not do the same against you. They are gods so of course they have the power to do so.
They can subtly sabotage your life progress so you end up continuing working with them as well.
Give you just enough in life to keep wanting more, but never too much where you don’t desire them anymore.
Infernal spirits are opportunistic for energy and power. But Left Hand Path people are usually not inclined to believe that.
There’s shallow ass people doing OnlyFans while these infernal spirits help them make more money at it. It depends on how much they favor you for your loyalty to them, same as the religious god.
@Reiki_healer333 People do magick for physical gain. If you think it’s about character, then you’re lying to yourself. No one goes to magick simply for “wisdom” or “character”. No reason to do something if it doesn’t pay off with abundance in this life.
I totally disagree. Sure, self-development and ascent are primordial, but all the things @strawberryshortcake listed are essential needs: leaving an abusive family, having a roof over one’s head (esp. in wintertime), and acquiring independence, therefore, being self-sufficient and coming into one’s own. What exactly is “selfish” or “shallow” about those things? What should they put themself in harm’s way and go back to an abusive household?
If you subscribe to an ascetic mindset or lifestyle, that’s one thing, but that’s not the path for everyone. As a matter of fact, “vows of poverty, obedience and abstinence” and all can affect people in future incarnations… One of the reasons why there is so much poverty is because of that mentality that somehow, richness is “evil”, “money is the root of all evil,” and being poor and facing all sorts of lifetime adversity is the only way to become “pure and holy.” Once again, that may be the right path for some people, but it doesn’t mean that everybody should follow that path.
We are all deserving of wealth, abundance; that’s our inner blueprint, our birthright, but it gets corrupted as we grow up, as we observe the world around us, and we receive all these sorts of programming: “I must try really, really hard to get what I want,” “I must compare myself to everybody else,” “Wealth is only for others,” “Money doesn’t grow on trees,” etc.
The OP is not even pursuing big fame, limos, 5-star hotels, gold watches, a string of escorts—and there’s nothing wrong in those things—but your advice, the way I see it, is meant to somehow make them feel guilty to even want to better their life, and such guilt is toxic. All they want is to get out of mediocrity, and that way, they’ll be in a better emotional mindframe to pursue ascent.
I could go on and on, but here are discourses from great channels that the OP (and others) may benefit from:
You have some very good points. Magick is results-driven after all.
Personally, I’d take this as more of a sign for the OP to test new formats of working if what he’s currently doing isn’t bearing fruit.
I think he could benefit a lot from working in a way where the spirits he calls are operating under the guidance of other forces (i.e angels) to ensure he doesn’t get the run around.
Also, for the OP I recommend reading the journal post by @DarkestKnight , it’s quite long but very inspiring of a read and shows his progress and growth in real time via magick (the start even did discuss struggles with a place to stay), it could definitely be of inspiration and help.
I totally agree. I’d be a hypocrite if I said that I’m only in it for “the good of my soul” and that I am content w/ a lifetime of absolute mediocrity. I am 100% honest when I say that I am very much about enlightenment, self-development, ascent, etc., but I’ll be honest and admit that yes, I desire success in my career, wealth, fame, power, freedom, influence, etc. Why can’t one have both?
If it’s okay for Jack Harlow, Ice Spice, Nicki Minaj, Beyoncé, Jay-Z, Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, The Weeknd, Bruno Mars, Pharrell, why would it be a sign of selfishness and shallowness for us, eh?
There are reels on Instagram about letting go of that erroneous beliefs that wealth and money are “only for others,” that we should be made to feel guilty to be wealthier than our loved ones, etc.
True. That said, there are JustFor.Fans and OnlyFans performers who are very much spiritual in spite of all that lust and orgies they partake in: Justin the Jock, Manuel Skye, Farrah Abraham, Leander, Ethan Chase, to name a few. Manuel Skye even authored a 700-page book on advanced spirituality and mysticism, Seven Skyes Under: The Complete Spiritual Journey.
The thing is, if those spirits actually do provide, the practitioner will always want to keep working with them unless completely ungrateful. How can one avoid being abused by spirits that way?
Update: For someone who said I was selfish, I wouldn’t say I’m selfish for wanting to be educated or housed. I just was kicked out of a school for non-payment because I was led astray by a spirit about a year ago and then again a few months ago.
The spirit was Belial, he wanted to help me get into the school I wanted, but he kept imposing fees I couldn’t pay. At first, I couldn’t pay to hop on a plane go to the college, then a traumatic experience to where I was forced to move into a more expensive place and now I can’t afford anything at the school. I knew it was Belial behind it because every time I opened a door, a door was slammed shut on my hand.
He put me through a Tower moment and now I’m back living in an abusive household and they’ve already started being mean. For everyone reading, please don’t work with Belial if you have really little. He will take it and make it hard to obtain it again. Not only do I have to pay almost $10k out of pocket, I lost my research assistant job that would’ve helped me so much. I don’t even know what to do anymore.
I told him he was being abusive and to leave me alone and he still came back. I banished and he still took the one thing I had. I can’t even believe it, I’m still in a state of shock. My household talks crap about me heavy, they’ve already lied and said I hit them to the cops once and I almost lost my freedom bc of their lies.
I was president of clubs at my college, I had opportunities lined up but then I was hit with the worst form of depression and burnout. It hasn’t been easy faking a smile but I fuckin did it. Honestly, let this all be a reminder to not work with Belial ever. I hope this experience prevents someone from making a mistake.
Which method of working with him did you use, did you just call him outright or did you call other beings to oversee the operation (or use the hierarchy and pathworking method)?
I ask because this can make a big difference. These demons are very powerful and although they can be very helpful, if they are invited as unbound forces they can wreak havoc. Personally, Belial has been very good and helpful to me. There’s been moments I’ve had negative experiences with him, but they’ve all turned out for the best.
But nowadays I don’t call them outright at all, at minimum via the oversight of the HGA, and usually with corresponding angels. It’s been extremely smooth.
I was burnt out and tired, the only thing I did at first was a petition. But then I used a Solomonic ritual once to make sure this spirit didn’t fuck shit up but he eventually did.
Yeah that’s likely why. It could be Belial, it could be an impostor, it could be anything else really. Not to say it’s not Belial because some people have similar experiences, but it could really be anything.
You should start on spiritual hygiene first and work on cleansing completely, banishing everything and starting from scratch. I’d also suggest starting with a more simpler approach to your magick just until you regain your footing, maybe working with chaos magick and then slowly easing back into working with spirits.
This thread has good info:
There is the school of the thought that obstacles are there for you to overcome, and doing so makes you stronger. There is a lot of truth to it. You do become stronger as a result, and you appreciate them more because they were earned.
But before that, it helps to understand why you believe those things are even important.
It appears as if you are treating these things as goals or achievements (you are not alone in this), but they are not. They are RESULTS.
Marriage is what happens after you find your person.
A college major should be an area of study you are passionate enough about to dedicate 4, 6, 8 years just to it’s study, to say nothing of letting it become a career (though a lot of people don’t find theirs until they’ve been in school a couple years).
Own a home because you like the architectural style, or you see the charm others don’t or it’s something you will put your heart and soul into renovating or it has the right acreage or the secret passages you’ve wanted since you were a kid or you like to flip them and it happens to hit the right price point.
These things don’t make you happy, they happen BECAUSE you’ve found what makes you happy.
Are you from the Mid-West? I hear it gets ridiculously cold out there; you have to wait for your car to warm up. Its getting cold here in the Coastal State of Washington which is sort of unusual. But I cannot imagine what the colder Mid-West States experience, which is why I never want to live there.
Your not selfish for wanting to take care of yourself. But I’m sure all of us at some point in our lives had to fight for something. Karma does exist unfortunately, and if you see it you will realize that from a Bigger Picture perspective our country and all its difficulties its experiencing spans back to a singular Source. Part of the Karma is “Misrepresentation,” of said Spirit by what you know of as “impostors.”
Glad you enjoyed reaching a pretty high position. Thats exactly what Belial can do (one of many things… many many things). But everything has a price… and the price is more than say putting a peace of meat on a plate with candles on an altar (or whatever). If energy were truly infinite taking it from the Universe, then everyone would be Flying and Super Successful. This is a lesson in that everything has FINITE tangible value, and because of that if you want something you not only have to pay the Right Amount, but with the proper currency.
My advice regarding that? Well I was just being transparent. But what you experienced is most likely an impostor misrepresenting Belial trying to distance you from him and get you to fuck up your relationship with him. My advice is to hold for yourself a “Doctrine & Constitution.” Visualize the Universe and “The Real Belial” as a good figure that is bringing proper order to things. This is important, because Misrepresentation is very common in these occult communities. and also be aware that even though you are a Witch/Magician, you are not the only one. Which brings my second round of advice:
CHURCH: Does Church Matter? Yes… do peoples idiotic beliefs? No. There is no need to convert everyone. You can be the only witch in the room, the only Satanist in the room. What matters is that you are being a good person to yourself and making an attempt to create Good Karma. Now why would you not want to be selfish and instead also being a little more giving? Because the good Karma is the environment you are creating that you dwell/live in. Church is about Community… a gathering… a Witches COVEN basically means the same thing a gathering, etc. Different institutions, Orders, FreeMasons, etc all do similar things, but with different agendas.
You do not have to agree with me, but I have the intuition that all the very things you are pushing away are precisely the very things you need to address, otherwise it will haunt you for a life time. Belial is not something you just merely disappear, as there are many both High and Low, both knowingly and unknowingly… Good & Bad… who work with him. This is an entire world (the Planet Earth)… and you have to live around these people if you choose to participate in Society. This goes for both Religious and Non-religious folk.
if that is your opinion then that is your opinion. it doesnt really matter. if you want to chase success and wealth and status then to do that. I didnt start magick with the intent of wisdom or character yet it was always in the back of my mind. It was that deep, deep longing and desire that cannot be shaken away no matter how hard you try. I might be different from others, as i didnt start with magick as an introduction to spirituality, instead i started with the chase after enlightenment at the age of 14-15, which i have noticed is a life long process filled with ups and downs. I have never cared for wealth. I grew up poor so im used to being so. I never understood how people could complain about money when it doesnt even feel that bad. i live on 1500 dollars a month and feel like im middle class, not through delusion but through character. Status is a worthless thing once you realize people with glance at you for 30 seconds and then go on with their day. even celebrities have very few hardcore fans that actually care about their lives at a deep level. Mostly its just a follow on instagram and the occasional concert or watching a talkshow. Power is worthless as it is in my opinion extremely immature. There are so many greater pleasures in life yet you want to waste your time trying to curse someone as revenge when you could have just healed your own pain or to feel powerful when it is such a small high compared to the timeless and endless wisdom of the ancient yogis. I have always been more inclined towards chasing wisdom instead of success so perhaps its not a life for everyone but i can certainly guarantee that my inner life and my inner mind is alot healthier, cleaner and calmer than someone chasing the high of success
i might have misspoken due to not reading the post at a deep level. Indeed, if you live in an abusive household, make sure to escape and sure, do get a home. i think the one detail i caught onto during the reading was the desire for a house, which everyone surely wants but in the american economy isnt that realistic to get anymore. since she is still studying, i am assuming she is in her early to mid 20s where it is completely unrealistic regardless of magick or not. What she should seek instead is a small but cozy apartment, which is far easier to get. People these days at her age are lucky to even rent apartments with others as roommates. i think that is what it was. it just struck me as overreaching and therefore in my mind seemed extremely shallow that you would chase a house instead of deeper knowledge in your chosen studies than all your peers for example. i failed to consider that she actually needed a home. as i said, i didnt read the post that well
Your subconsious will continue to manifest these patterns and blockages until you learn the lesson as to why they are there in the first place. Sure you could force your way through externally but that’s only removing the batteries from the fire alarm, it won’t put out the fire.
As counter-intuitive as this may seem, the problem isn’t your circumstances it’s your internal belief systems, rooted in fear, guilt or shame I’d reckon.
I’ve gotten a ton of benefit from chanting & hip opening yoga- especially right before bed. My heart goes out to you. I hope you’re open enough to hear me. I understand it’s tough right now, you may not see a light at the end of the tunnel right now but trust that it’s there. You will emerge from this a stronger person with a greater sense of self.
One thing that is certain is, when we choose to start working this path, we are agreeing to have our old life crumbled and be destroyed to make way for the new life and reality we are calling into existence. The old gotta go to make way for the new
Could it be that, the doors you are trying to walk through are not the ones you are supposed to walk through
Sometimes, the best thing to do when working with spirits is surrender completely to the path that are being forged for us by these powers
I do not know what church you were a part of, but I can assure you walking away from an institution designed to control people by using fears and lies to follow the path of spiritual awakening is probable one the greatest if not the greatest decision you could have made in your life - It probably does not look as such at at the moment, but over time, that truth is bound to be made clear to you
That maybe so, but ask yourself, are they really happy? Are they really fulfilled? Are they on the path aligned with their destiny? The church as an institution is notorious for having people living against their will just to please the crowd, just so they don’t go to “HELL” (Even though most of the members have no idea what that “HELL” they love to talk about is really about)
Of course Jobs are not hiring you. You said so yourself, the reason of you joining the Left hand path is so you can become “Independent” ← Is having a job honestly make one independent? If anything, it seems to have the opposite effect
One thing some practitioners tend to overlook is the fact that the spirits will meet them half way. Meaning, the other half they have to do the physical and mundane work. Also, things do take time to build momentum
In this particular manner, you are obviously the sole decider which path to take, what I will suggest however, there are entities who specialized in bestowing knowledge (academics, occult, and everything in between) to those who ask - King Paimon, Duke Dantalion, Zadkal (plus many more) are some very powerful and great entities one can use to study with
Not making any prediction here but i think a time is coming where young people will ditch the prescribe way of learning and turn to entities to learn directly from them subjects that once used to be taught at school, especially as the knowledge of the occult is becoming more mainstream this can be seen as an opportunity to become a pioneer for you
If you need meds, I am assuming there is some health concern that needs to be addressed, may I suggest “A.A Raphael”? - This archangel is a phenomenal healer, from personal experiences I cannot recommend this great spirit enough
One advice if i may, don’t try. Just do. and know, not believe or think or hope, nope! Simply know your intents and will and desires have reached the spirits and they have have received your message and detach from any outcome. Once you have completed the needed work from your end, it is no longer in your hands. Allow the works you have done the time and space necessary to manifest as you intend then to
That’s the beginning of everything - When you feel down, i recommend meditation. If practiced regularly and consistently, these feelings of sadness will quickly dissipate and be replaced with a new sense of hope
To answer your question, NO! Going to church or being religious is not at all better than travel the path of spiritual liberation and awakening, not by a long shot and on this path, you will awaken and come to know you nature not as flesh and bones but as a spiritual being experiencing this material world
There is nothing the church or religion provides that can compare to such revelation
I recommend working with LUCIFER AND AZAZEL for a period of 90 days, nothing crazy complicated, no evocation. Open their individual seal each and state your intents (can be read out loud from a petition or simply state them from the top of your head) and see what changes occurs in your life, don’t force anything either
Take advantage of the Church atmosphere. FYI, make sure that it is in a location that you may see as beneficial. Big difference between being in “Bum-fuck-nowhere” versus being near a large Metropolis. Just be aware of where Wealth flows.
Not meaning to be preachy, but I think the lesson here is to learn how to “work with others,” in order to bring you what you need, even if they do not do magick, they are afterall “sheep,” so see this as training for heading a Leadership Group Utilizing Magick. Maybe its an opportunity for that, since whatever physical help you were dealing with was not working out for you.
