Can magick cure gender dysphoira?

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@NatashaSubmits

First, changing someone’s sexual orientation is less about actually changing who they are attracted to than it is removing mental barriers that are preventing them from admitting, either to themselves or society, who it is they like or which specific set of characteristics they find appealing.

The thing about successful magickal workings is that they often appear as coincidence or could be |explained away" with plausible deniability; eg, “that $100 bill just happened to be there.” We cannot say for sure whether some stated successful cases are closeted/suppressed bisexual people or truly changed their orientation, but there is a forum member who is ace and is actively using magick to develop a sexuality. If the latter case is successful, then magick can modify sexual orientation, something otherwise “immovable” under mundane means.

@NatashaSubmits

Second, given that GD was reclassified as NOT a mental illness in the DSM, and with the growing body of scientific literature* that is pointing towards biological origins of GD

The APA wrote in their justification for changing the terminology in the DSM-V that it was essentially for subjective, PC reasons to diminish discrimination. Just because a condition written in the DSM-V has [neuro]biological origins that does not take away the title of a condition being listed as a “disorder”, as evidence shows that people with NPD, anxiety disorder, or anti-social PD also have brain structures distinct from neurotypicals

@NatashaSubmits

do you understand that you’d be asking to change the actual physical structure or amount of grey matter in specific areas of someone’s brain, or reverse how their genes unfolded and developed after being exposed to androgens at a specific point in time while in utero?

It’s a little bit more complex than praying away the gay. Not to mention changing people’s brain structures is something that was tried but isn’t any longer. I’ll leave it to the reader to figure out why.

I’m gonna stop you there because even if there wasn’t a recent peer-reviewed neuroscientific study that discredits the brain-sex theory, and I’m almost certain I had GD and thus possibly a feminine brain structure between 7th-9th grades and got over it despite probable exposure to hormones or said supposedly female brain structure (I now enjoy seeing my gains in the gym, bulky chest, abs, etc.), it is irrelevant to this forum and this topic. Yes, if this were a health forum and I was asking if it were possible to use the current means of medical science to cure GD without affirming the symptoms, then I would absolutely agree with your stance 100%; the only mundane way I can only see GD being neutralized without affirmation is through sufficiently advanced nanomachines modifying the patient’s brain structure to match that of a neurotypical person-transhumanism, or sci-fi for now.

However, that is not relevant, because we are talking about a practice that many allege has been able to cause things that experts would say are highly unlikely at best, such as curing cancer, causing it to rain in the driest region of the planet for a week, etc. So given the crazy shit that magick has allegedly been able to carry out, I was wondering if it was applicable to this since no one has asked yet. Having this work would be exciting for the magickal community, but no so much for science since the mainstream science community dismisses this all as “woo.”

@NatashaSubmits

*(If anyone is interested, I have a list of peer-reviewed journal articles from a research project I did a few years ago on this topic. The sources are actual scientific journals, and the list is even in APA format. I’ll even show you how you can find and download them, as well as almost any journal article, for free)

Even though I’ve done some background research on the topic, I’d be interested in that list if you PMd it to me (in APA format). Regardless, if I attempted this and was successful, it lowers the authority of those sources you speak of[to the magickal or spiritual communities, not scientific, psychological, or medical communities] and makes them essentially irrelevant. I am sure there are peer-reviewed articles that conclude that workings allegedly to have been successful here should be impossible.