Beyond the Binary God: Monotheistic Polytheism, Layered Divinity, and the LHP Art of Sovereign Alliance. [ My ideas ]

I will love to hear your opinions on the following, i am not preaching, i am not convincing you with my ideas, i just felt inspired and started writing one shot and ended up with this i do not even recall all my points, its not refined, use discernment, feel free to express opposite ideas i will be more than happy to read other perspectives.

First, i am a Monotheistic Polytheist,

I hold both the views, i believe there is 1 True God, which is the All, and i appreciate the Hindu scriptures from my own understanding many times hinted that the Gods themselves reach to ´The All’, and are into the supreme in the supreme sense instead of their identity as a Hindu God being the supreme.

The Unity of Being and the Godhead i believe in both with makes me realize and know there is 1 God, and in the very same time there are many, and i am one of them, not the ego being God it is deeper than that,

With that being said, i do not view Demons or the ancient Gods as Gods in the sense of the most supreme,

And maybe the ancients too did not use the word ´Gods’ to mean that, here it gets tricky in my opinion,

I noticed for example when the word ´Allah’ is used, many people mean different things, some simply want to say ´God’ some mean ´the All’ some link Allah to Elohim, some consider him just a ´concept’, they never mean 1 thing,

This makes me think if the same was done to the ancient Gods,

If we take the modern word ´God’ and project it unto beings, it is not necessarily what those who called them Gods meant,

Especially that many before the LHP are in other religions so they associate the word God with specific thing,

Let’s say someone was a Sufi, and turns into a Hindu,

If he believe they are the Gods, it will already clash with a lot of his concepts like God can only be 1 for several reasons,

This will manifest in him being constantly corrected by his Guru, not because he fails to grasp the Hindu Gods, but because he has certain definitions of ´Gods’ that he cultivated through his previous framework, and now he is projecting that unto Hindu Gods, so there will be a lot of dissonance,

For this very reason, i believe those words can be very misleading and counterproductive,

To understand the Hindu Gods for example, the person should study the Hindu framework, to Understand Satanism and what Satan means in it, one should Study Satanism, and so on..

What makes it complex, is in any framework, there are many frameworks,

From within Hinduism there are many paths, so whatever someone who studied Hinduism things Hinduism is , there is big chance of inaccuracy, unless he approaches the subject from different perspectives from within the big framework,

Let’s take Satan and Allah example,

If a person who is christian starts having a conversation with several people while having mentally a specific definition of both, no conversation can truly happen because there will be a lot of misunderstanding,

I myself caught myself many times use Satan to describe a God, i.e. Zeus, or i also use Satan to describe the being in Islamic story, or i can describe bad Entities with Satan, or i can use it as compliment of the chthonic Aspect of Zeus/Shiva/Amon ( i do not know if he likes it as a compliment ), or i talk about Satan as a concept, or as a personality Archetype, etc..

Some will say : but Zeus is Satan, and Satan in Quran is slandering the same exact being etc..

This can be true from a perspective and is wrong from another which creates confusions,

Satan in the Quran cannot be Satan in Christian and cannot be Satan ( Zeus ),

Because the Satan in Quran was described in certain ways, and also there is a ´story’,

If we remove how the muslims define Satan, and project our own definition, then we are forcing our definition on another framework,

It is like if i believe in Zeus, and someone comes and tell me Zeus does not exist, when i ask him why, i find out he has his own definition of Zeus which is not at all the same as my definition,

There is an other aspect to this, sometimes, we can find out that some beings are made the bad guys in certain stories so we can project out own definition and it will be true because the narrative of the other story itself was intended to be distortion of reality or was based on misinterpretations misinformations or ill intent generally,

From this perspective we can say things like Satan here is actually Zeus in Greek religion, which is Shiva in hinduism and all ancient civilization had same Gods etc..

The thing is, not everyone adheres to this, and not everyone agrees, so if i talk to someone who does not believe Zeus is even real or thinks the spiritual realm does not exist at all,

And on top of this even believes all abrahamic religions are fake,

Then i cannot use with him the same terminology and to have proper conversation i will seek with him middle ground, which means, i may starting talking generally about Polytheism or Existence of Entities or Satan as Archetype etc..

Because my beliefs are very ´niche ´ , if i say what i believe it will be a mess,

Like if i say Satan is Zeus, and same time in another phrase use Satan to refer to something bad, and saying i believe in Zeus, while praying to Allah,

He won’t understand, and i will look mentally retarded,

But from my perspective, Allah is a word i use to name the One,

The one seems to me a scientific word, Allah feels to me spiritual,

Zeus or Shiva feel to me a Being, and as mentioned above, the Ancients, even while believing in Gods, they did use the notion ´The One ´,

In my case i use Allah, placed in Higher hierarchy than the Greek & Hindu & Egyptian etc.. GODS,

Which looks funny, and illogical,

But i am literally saying the One being the most supreme using other words,

This led me to realize why the Gods/Demons/Angels etc.. use symbols we can understand, and can deliver messages using symbolism that may look obvious to the one receiving it, and look ambiguous to all others,

So symbolism and use of certain words such as God etc..

Is very personal, which makes it carry meaning,

So when we talk to each other, we cannot assume by definition we truly understand each other, and its impossible to do so if both the persons are talking from personal symbolism,

It will be like ´the dream’ an initiate receives and only him understand,

His speech too if he is basically using only things meaning to him, will be ambiguous, and misleading,

This is why i personally talking in this forum do adapt many concepts, like : i try to use the words that will carry the meaning i want to convey,

More than talking like if talking to myself, for the very reasons i explained above,

This made me also realize a weird thing,

Like imagine i get a dream of a dinosaur eating ice cream, and in my specific case it means something and it helped me take a decision in real life,

Everyone will say: yes so you understood the message Good job,

Now if i do same to put the concepts i have in mind into words that resonate the most, like using the word Allah and Zeus in same belief system, many will call it a dissonance,

Which is not a dissonance at all, the same way the subconscious can communicate to us in weird way, i can also make my conscious mind express concepts in weird way, but it means in no way i mean the mainstream definitions of things

With that being said i do not know what the ancients meant exactly in their texts when they expressed ideas,

The Hindu scriptures talk about Hindu Gods, yet talked about Godhead in same time,

The Greeks talked about Gods yet said what the average perceives as Gods, the manifestations, are not the ultimate perception,

While the Modern mind sees those levels that both in Greek and Hindu traditions were not ultimate, as ultimate,

Which leads to the modern mind claiming the Demons are not Gods,

While in fact, the ancients said same,

´what appears to you and talks to you ´ are not the GODS, its not the ultimate form,

So the word God, i see it is heavily misunderstood,

To me, it seems the ancients took the word God and gave it very several meanings, mainstream and deeper and deeper and deeper etc..

The manifestations of a specific God, they talked about it being Levels or they traced the ´truth’ of that God , who he really is in essence and they called him a God based on that ultimate truth, and then they came to the surface and call what they represent with a status as a ´God’,

And then a Modern mind sees the status and thinks the ancient thought this is what the ancient thought to be God,

And then Someone summoning a Demon thinks it is a being not a God, while the ancient said its not the ultimate manifestation,

So the modern view is very scientific, it is binary, is it a God yes or no,

While in fact as far as i can dee the ancient never used it in that way; instead they viewed it as a layered word,

In scriptures like Bhagavad Gita, you will notice Shiva is talked about as a God, yet in same scripture there is self deification, and even Monotheism in the sense there is one God,

If there is One then Polytheism can only be in a dualistic view,

Non duality and Polytheism contradict,

And in same time,

Non duality and Polytheism merge perfectly,

It depends on the perspective.

With that being said,

All the above i believe is like can be discussed as ´ we are discussing the ultimate truth and what is it ‘

It is in that domain,

However, practically in the physical realm, and in our daily life, it is different,

Now we are acting through a Body, another being, is acting through a form, we both are not meeting the truth, the being talks to me looking at me with his form, and im looking at him with mine, but we are both beyond those forms in essence,

So we are actually meeting in an illusion with nothing ultimate in it,

Which balances all the ´the ultimate talk’

Now to get help from a God, i cannot just think it,

I need to do a summoning,

Yes they hear, yes they can help without one even doing a summoning etc.. i know that and not out of speculation, i really know, so they can make one see the ultimate from within illusion, or shake things and make him perceive that he is dealing with something ultimate, or shake his whole understanding of the universe,

Which leads me to a thought, many have the idea that we can talk about subjects without having experience, with pure intellectual capacities, because we are following ´logic’,

It really does not work that way, in spirituality, or LHP or whatever we call it,

To be an armchair expert is the worst one can do,

You can believe X Y Z and beat me in a debate in it,

Phisosophically, intellectually whatever,

Yes you won,

However, however,

If i have 1 experience proving the opposite, all the reasoning will be instant bs,

So i will listen to you and be like, thats crazy, so i cannot prove it actually he is right, however i will be knowing its real,

So perfect logical and refined intellectual thinking, even elite level in that, can fail miserably at understanding things that actually require experience,

So, the concepts of The Gods, or Demons etc.. and how the universe work etc..

Mentally we can come up with very good frameworks,

However practically this get shaken in all directions,

One can say in the physical word, the Gods are bound to certain extent,

This can be debunked easily by experience,

Then another will talk about benevolence of entities, and if both them being Gods and them beings benevolent is true, now the question will be about ethics and their interventions,

Which some will say its prove those are not Gods, this is intellectual reasoning and also having certain definitions that the ancients did not have,

In Bhagavad Gita, Krichna was going to war and he also got cursed,

In the modern discussion, the word God will instantly clash with ´being cursed’, only the ancients write those kind of stuff,

In modern word, it is like many try to be of the word God, be synonymous with ´the All’, which is in my opinion not synonymous in the literal sense and also its synonymous,

Because the existence of itself make us doubt the concepts,

For example, if a person wants to have a good body, he can workout,

If a person wants to heal, he can do it with magic,

Etc..

If those powers get increase to the point of happening 10000 more powerfully and more fast, the person will instantly say he is God and achieved dominion,

The addition of delay and the fact he feels its hard to ascend, makes him start doubting concepts,

So to me lack of spiritual belief, lack of belief in the spiritual truths,

Is caused by primarly ´weakness’

If we take anyone and give him strong spiritual power he will instantly believe,

Many people who are psychically gifted can believe in spiritual realm without even a proof, because they already have senses or had experiences that prove there is something out there,

So lack of belief, is linked heavily to weakness,

Which makes me think, if the Ancients lived side by side with Gods, then no wonder they called them Gods,

Like imagine you see a being that proved supreme dominion, what to call him?

If the ego won’t tolerate then let’s say YOU achieved that level of power, what will you call yourself?

So the word God even if it looks simple, it has a lot to it in my opinion.

That aside, that upper chakra talk aside,

Practically in this realm, when i say practically i do not mean the previous things were delusions or dissociative,

But there is weakness and limitations, which cause certain things currently,

For example, based on the above and also the zncient scriptures, we are Gods right?

In the sense; not the Ego is the God, but we do carry the spark, the truth,

Then why do we act the way we act ? Why we do not act from a high aspect?

A Greek Philosopher said that a Person cannot be bad by definition, and that he is bad because he thinks it is what he thinks best to do, something similar to this,

Let’s start from this definition,

Many of us can even see clearly that we can be better but bound by circumstances to do certain things,

Let’s say a person want to get married, yet the potential partner does too many things that FORCE the person into canceling the marriage,

The person wanted to make of this like ´the movies’

But this is not the movies and not everytime we can make this end very happy, the best we can is love each other forgive each other and realize it is what is it, as long as we do not deeply resent and such, we can all choose other paths and its all good, everyone from his perspective feels like it may be the other, and feels like he tried his best to make it work, to me those intentions are more valuable than anything,

Not to value intentions is weakness, because it means one is lusting for a result,

Especially in LHP, or spiritual path or whatever we call it, i personally understand and know that whatever should happen it will happen for me to attain my goals,

However i cannot force things to be in certain exact ways to make this look like a movie, i wish i could.

With that being said, many times we do not have free will in choosing external events and how they unfold,

The same way we can lose loved ones by death we can love them by the paths moving apart,

In both cases the point that looks like a point of separation has some form of holyness and should be treated as such,

It is not necessary for us to wait for someone to face death to love him,

I believe humans should learn to do that in real life, death can only occur by people disappearing from the layer of reality of others, and this should be ok, in fact separation can make us appreciate each other more sometimes,

If we take all this and project it on spiritual beings,

It is actually the same, whatever i said above implies to the spiritual beings,

They do have personalities, they do have traits, they wish they could dl X Y Z but not everytime they are able, they may able, but sometimes they are forced into not helping, or situations make it so,

Lets take a very simple example, like imagine a Demon, a person X cursing person Y with help of that Demon,

And the person Y is cursing the person X with the same Demon,

If we agree that a Demon is actually conscious, aware and a true independent being,

Like imagine his situation,

Now multiply this by thousands of times and add to it other beings agendas and see how complex all this gets,

So the being even if a GOD, cannot walk around and do things as he wishes irrelevant to any other external data.

And even if certain people say: but if he is bound like this then he cannot be a God,

If the same being, start doing anything he wants including wronging whoever he likes without reason,

Those people will say: ok this too cannot be a God, he should not do X Y Z,

Yet when one talks about himself, he claims he is a GOD, while not being that strict with himself in the definition,

So the concept we project on what a God should be, is nonexistent,

And also many are not consistent in the use of it, it is like a word that get misused a lot, and for some reason many thing we should have the same definition for the word.

Anyway, so those beings, are like as, as above so below,

This makes me think, to what extent their loyalty and nobility can go, and can they turn on someone?

Since based in the above, they are not Jesus loves you, they are actual beings doing actions.

I many times get those trust issues, and it makes me think if the beings turn on me, especially those that have been wonderful with me, then that would make me instantly better than them in terms of loyalty, the most noble i do not think can accept that, from that perspective of assuming benevolence and chivalry, at high levels no one betrays,

I also discovered a secret, all beings realize in a way or in another ´the all’, as the ultimate,

And they also, keep ascending, everyone is evolving,

So the best way to have allies, is to do the same, to ascend, and to try to reach true powers, enlightement, closeness to the The All or Godhead,

When the beings are walking a path and one walks a parallel path, resonance increase a lot, and also, one in the spiritual realm is viewed as : ok this one understands, he is reaching out for an ultimate truth, he is evolving, he is trying his best.

At least the benevolent ones, will even forgive the mistakes because they see someone truly doing his best.

Compare this to someone, who knows nothing of ultimate truths, who thinks his ego is a God, and who summons a being and things he can bind everyone in the spiritual realm,

Just imagine how the beings look at him, while they know what they know.

I strongly believe to get allies and favors, one should be aligned with a high path,

Approaching the whole spiritual matter as : i heard i can summon some beings who will fulfill wishes,

The beings will literally see the practitioner as childish not realizing how big the spiritual matter is actually.

And i also personally strongly believe one should make sure he is not viewed in a lowly way from the other side. Worst because the beings do not necessarily correct, they may see someone ignorant and work with him at his level, and thats it. And the person will think he encompassed the matter, while he literally is viewed from above, the beings view clearly his mind limitations and they view him same way we view a beginner.

If i go to a human and tell him that im a supreme power on earth and i command everyone, he will easily prove me wrong,

However, in the sense i am spiritually responsible for my layer of reality then yes, and in the sense no one can stand against me because in my own layer and from my perspective i spiritually i am the first cause, then yes.

It is same in spiritual realm, if i approach a being with the intention i dominate the spiritual realm, this is funny, the being may not even get triggered, it is like us when a kitten approach us and start acting agressive, we may even take care of the kitten and love it, and laugh about it,

I believe those beings are to be approached like we approach humans there should be common sense, in the same way i cannot go to a girl stranger and tell her hi will you marry me, i won’t go to a being and just act like if i own the place, he is a being and i should have a relation, sometimes that being important before doing something serious, unless the being push me to go straight to end goal,

On top of this, assuming Godhood and approaching beings to fulfill, lets take the extreme, they are doing everything you want,

What if they out of nowhere stop, you will be instantly a nobody, this freaks me out thats why i personally make sure i evolve, i do not want to lean on beings fully,

Also, if they are the ones doing all of it, then they are the GODS, not me,

In the same way in real life we can assume mentally we are the first cause and know it to be the truth and having dominion over the universe while still not trezting humans like slaves and while still being functional in society,

I navigate the spiritual realm in the same way,

With leaning on the all, i get anchored in the all and in non duality,

In the Divine, whatever one wants to call it, and i approach the beings, from that perspective, as allies, while the Godhead, i assume it backed by the Divine, not backed by the beings,

Which makes me by consequence way more revering the beings, since i start understanding them, and also, they are sovereign, and im approaching with a sovereign and respectful state, and like attracts like,

And then the magic is instantly more powerful, because now im not lasting for the results, im not going through the day waiting for the being X to do Y for me,

I am in the assumption its done, primarily by my power and connection to divinity, the being is in an ally and i am grateful to him and he holds credit too, sometimes i give him full credit and reverence,

Also when one aligns with the path of ascending and improving himself, there are beings that will help him without him even calling on them,

It is like in human life, if you do a working, a person may appear and help you,

This is in fact more potent with spiritual beings, and they are less likely to do it in an unconscious sense, they are in fact very conscious about it, which is even way more better.

Because of the above i believe many beings are very noble and benevolents, Demons are wonderful and more,

I just do not want to what extent this goes and i wont blame them if it has certain limits,

I want to add a point,

Many who are ´Ego ´ driven, feel that things like ´the all’, and divinity etc.. is passive, and talks that sound edgy are in fact the true LHP,

I just want to note that, the very reason i consider the ego approach to be wrong and limited, is pure results,

When i align myself when i stop relying on an entity like a slave, i feel more powerful, this is as LHP as it can get,

Trying to bind an entity this i will personally never do, if someone do not want to work with me then i do not want to work with him, i am in fact more edgy in that concern, and can be very childish also,

Why bind an entity to do something for me ? I will achieve through my own powers instead. Thats my view.

Whats funny, and i love that i found in my UPG this to be the case, beings when approached from a sovereign state instead of approached from weakness i.e. as a genie that makes things manifest, they are even more likely to deliver way better,

Also the magic gets way more powerful because lusting for results is also caused by weakness, in my case anchoring myself on divinity and on the belief thzt im the first cause and working from that stance, makes me not lust for results.

The relation with the beings blossoms :rose:

I started to prefer the word ´Beings’ or ´Spiritual Beings’,

Because there are many, it is not like only the famous Gods etc.. there are many many beings.

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I don’t want to leave you without a response, so I’ll pull out the bits that stood out to me…

Me neither. The word Annunaki get translated a “god”, but doesn’t mean that. It means, those who came from the sky and refers to physical beings from space, basically. El is translated as god, and elohim as gods, and they don’t mean that either. Everything we are told in the common mainstream today, is fake.

Ba’al means “Lord” as in ruler. I think over time these people got mythologized and he word god today is as fiction, as you say meaning different tings to different people. Some mean the Source/All, and some think beings with personalities are a kind of unquestionable, unreproachable person they put on a pedestal to worship as an idol.

Imo all worship of any external named being is idolatry, and deeply insulting to the divine within and without us all.

And then, that includes “God” as a named being with a capital G, and inferring it can have opinions or a plan or judgement is personifying it and is again, idolatry.

The All, or source, imo that is the only “god” there can be, cannot be named. As soon as you give it a name it is made manifest by the mind of man and is fake. “The tao that can be named is not the tao.” It is but a finger pointing to the moon - the finger is not the moon. And the tao isn’t even consciousness, or the universe, these come from the tao, but are not the tao. You cannot think your way to understanding the tao, it must be experienced.

It never was though. You can ignore written history and make your own view that reuses that name out of context as you wish, that’s your prerogative but the documentation is clear. There were many Els (Elohim - Annunaki), which is why the Canaanites were multi-theistic originally) allah maps directly to the war god yhwh who was an El - an Annunaki - and son of El-Eloyim. El (the original has a wife called Ashera and lots of of sone - so yhwh (aka allah) has many brothers, including Ba’al, Mot, Nergal etc.)

This is why I use the term tao, and never “god”, as the worldview is very technically transparent and it avoids bringing the emotional and psychological baggage of the names from JCI cultures.

Exactly - and then you end up talking at cross-purposes and never really being understood, because it means too many different things to too many people. I think it’s better not to use other people’s terms knowing they will misunderstand you, but use a term that has an agreed definition in line with what you mean.

E.g. once, I joined a Taoist order, they used the term god in the way I would say spirit. For animists there is spirit in everything, thus everything has it’s own god. This book on my coffee table here - the god (spirit) of the book can talk to me. I didn’t try to tell them they had it wrong, I just learned what they meant and then used thier language to talk to them.

Right. Labels are just tools for communication. It does not good to use the wrong label for the wrong conversation. Use the right tool for the right job and the job is easier.

What resonates one way for you is not how it resonates for others. It’s the label issue again. If you want to be understood, use thier labels.

If you look up what “filters” are in psychology, where people who communicate for a living learn to speak you people based on the others filters, you will get more detailed training on this subject. Personality types and biases are a factor here too.

I think i just used differently by differently by different people and you disagree since you have your own definition that doesn’t match. Understand thier filters, and you will understand what they mean by “god”.

There’s nothing scientific about this. It’s an emotional and personal decision that is informed by their personal philosophy… It’s not objective it’s subjective. Science is objective, (at least the way it’s used today - in the past philosophy, healing, alchemy and natural sciences were all together and not compartmentalized).

If they want to call it a being, or a god, there’s no difference, they still get the same experience if they energetically have the same meaning for this.

"A rose by any other name doth smell as sweet" - Shakespeare

I think these are not directly related. Fundamental aspects of the universe have little to do with the granular level of human belief systems.

The Chinese taoists are polytheistic and understand yin and yang, better than westerners I feel. Look at a vase: you must have an outside for an inside to exist, is one way of putting it.

Duality is a mechanism to allow manifestation to exist. No duality means no differentiation, and nothing exists in the universe to be named.

From the tao that cannot be named, came the one (the tao that can be named) - from that one came the two (yin and yang), - from those two came the elements and then everything else is build on these.

That is an egregore or thoughtform you made, to anthropomorphize the All - if that is what you think allah is. If it’s external impressions that you have a being not the tao. the tao isn’t a person, isn’t any kind of being at all, and yo can’t have a conversation with it, it doesn’t exist in manifestation to do that.

Humans do this. It’s an animal survival trait to personalty aspects of nature up to and including the “gods”.
It’s possibly that the Els are all personified nature - war, storms, pestilence, death, fertility, these are partly what people cared about and personified into made gods for,

In Norse traditions these are the Jotunn - giants or nature gods of fire, ice, winter - furthe along in the origin story came the aliens again - the Vanir and Aesir and these were called gods and had complex personalities. This is the same pattern worldwide.

It’s not about winning - you can do both, and you can also at the same time respect the actual recorded history that the scholars spend their lives translating as accurately as they can.

You need both, you can just make up what you want and exist in your own local bubble in the astral without connecting to what’s real in the shared astral and lived universe, but that is called madness.

I think you should know your history or you’re just wasting time building a fiction for yourself that that will get you nowhere.

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Thank you, that is very kind!

This reminds of ´Neti Neti ´ in hinduism,

I agree with all what you said and liked how you put it, and the new perspectives and examples,

Concerning naming the divinity,

I do believe that, it should not have a name,

However, i also believe there are names that act like bridge to reach the experience, also with some mental gymnastics, i view ´ cannot be named ´ as a way of naming it,

Because saying ´the name ´, or saying instead ´ cannot be named’, they both act like the finger pointing to the moon, the name is not really a name its just a way of trying to direct people to what the Sages talk about,

The all or shiva which some say mean that which is not,

The all or nothing, they both make me mentally be able to tune it to the Divine, so the definitions and explanations i view them as tools that help to get the experience, and from a Sage perspective, he tries to put the experience into words, which is basically just a translation, may be inaccurate but it for sure acts as a bridge, making us kind of understanding what they experience or even making us end up with an experience,

I ended up with wonderful states, few times through contemplation of the definition, but i do not hear and try to understand,

I instead hear and try to tap into it,

I do believe its very personal, a person may think ´Shiva’ and sense ´the Divine ´, another may say it and sense nothing,

Another needs to say instead ´the all’, another may instead need to think of it as ´nothing’,

I believe there are many paths and what determines which works depend on the initiate, each one have some certain things that ´click’ for him,

I do agree, i use Allah to tap into it ( sometimes ), just because i read Sufi Poems or hear them, they use the word sometimes, so it is like frequenting some people who use a specific keyword, and ending up using it, but i do know the word Allah normally predates islam which Sufi use as a framework, so i agree with you on this,

I will give you an example of Sufi Poems, so you see what i mean here by when they talk about Allah feels to me like the All,

Try reading with LHP perspective, since their poems are very metaphorical anyway,

It reads to me very non dual and self deification:

´the two worlds are contained in me, but i will not be contained in these worlds,

I am the treasure of no abode, i will not be contained in being or in creation,

[…] in short, Divine command in the universe found manifestation in me,

So that you know me by these signs,

But beaware! I cannot be contained in signs.´

He refused to repent, they got him executed, by flaying for heresy,

They pealing away his skin while he was alive,

While he was losing blood, one mocked him for claiming to be God and now turning pale while being executed, he answered:

I am the sun of love’s horizon. When the sun sets, it naturally grows pale.

The reason they executed him is his disciple was walking around reciting:

To see my face you need an eye that can perceive True God.

How can the eye that is short-sighted see the face of God?

And Nasimi claimed ownership of this to save his disciple, this reads to me very LHP,

During the torture he said:

Cut the ascetic’s one finger and he turns away from Truth and flees,

Look at this true lover, they strip him from head to foot, yet he does not cry out

And also this Poem is claimed to be recited by him during that:

Though roses bloom among the thorns,
I will not bow to them.
Though others boast of wealth and rank,
I will not bow to them.

I may not speak the tongues they praise,
Nor wear the crowns they seek;
But I will never lower myself
For those who think themselves above me.

I walk the path that I have chosen,
And place my trust in God.
Let others chase their worldly gain
I will not bow to them.

What comes to me today is enough;
Tomorrow is in God’s hands.
I need no master for my bread,
Nor anyone to whom I’m bound.

I have no hunger for worldly wealth,
No thirst for status or fame.
The One who gives me all I need
Is God.I will not bow to men.

Let kings possess their palaces,
Let the powerful command.
Their riches do not make them greater,
Their favor does not make me small.

If I must choose between my freedom
And everything the world can give,
I will keep my dignity and freedom
I will not bow to them.

My Lord is the giver of my sustenance;
No earthly ruler is my source.
I may receive what comes my way,
But I will never become their servant.

Let the world pursue its masters.
Let others live by another’s grace.
I trust the One above them all
And to no human will I bow.

-to me personally this is very sovereign, and it resonate with parts of it while disagreeing with certain,

However, the core concept sovereignty , is very goated, especially the circumstances he was in,

This and other sufi poems and the fact they use ´Allah’ word to talk, it makes me tune to them when using that same word, but i do realize historically im wrong.

I do wonder however if someone managed before to Summon the Storm God Allah, and what did he get.

So it clicked for you ( i personally can agree on 10 ways of referring to it, but be emotionally drawn to certain names its pure psychology), i understand perfectly your stance, i just came to know the concept of ´chaos magic’, i found im both a chaos magician and chaos thinker, i can summon Zeus and Praise Allah in the same hour while mentally not contradicting myself,

Its like if an engineer wants to make a performant car, he ends up with engine from Germany, tires from this gearbox from this other country, and so on, i do same, i borrow from multiple cultures lol

I view duality as what our senses detect, but the non duality as the ultimate truth, i also do not believe the Divine is up there,

If all that is was always that, has always been and will always be,

Then creation cannot arise from outside of it, that said, everything is manifested from it, so basically, only the Divine exist, as a unified field,

The duality is what we experience through the senses, even science says there is nothing ´physical’ in the way we think it is,

When we touch a table, it is not that the table is solid, actually, the atoms or electrons or whatever, in the hand, are pushing against the ones in table,

We never really touch something, when those two objects get too closed, they exercise a force on each other, which gives the feeling that its solid and physical, while in fact, its just a push on atomic level that is so hard that it feels physical instead of two fields.

So the senses give very wrong data, in several ways, and duality does not exist as an ultimate truth but just as an illusion.

I also like the hermetic principle about that, like cold and hot, are not two different things but are both ´temperature ´ and the spectrum makes it look like its two different things,

The reason i personally believe this works in shnergy with Polytheism,

Is that, to acknowledge only Divinity exists, means nothing can exist outside of it, so the bad and the good are both Divine, they cannot be other than that or they will be contradictions and we will have to redefine what we mean by the Divine,

Which makes seing God in everything very logical, which opens the door to Polytheism,

And also Animism, i am an animist by the way,

To the above i add self deification which also in my opinion works in synergy with that,

even if this will be a jump forward, but i could tap into it from experience, and also the ´universe ´ rewards and works very well with that, so i know personally this to be true even if lacking the intellectual bridge to it,

Its that not only God is in everything and the Divine is all that is,

But also, from the perspective of the initiate, he is the whole Divinity and he encompasses all that is,

I like the way the Sufi Rumi puts it:

You are not a drop in the ocean, you are the ocean in a drop

This i could experience several times, however i have no mental understanding of it, because to be the ocean in the Drop, there should be nothing outside of you otherwise there is something else, so the ocean is no more the ocean, however, this a 2D way of viewing it, so maybe its just intellectual incapacity.

I do not view it as merely a philosophical stance or realization, it also helps me in real life,

It makes the perceived world less distorted by the brain which has a lot of self destructive and low quality programs, non duality transcend the programs

Having the mind as a tool to navigate the world, instead of knowing the world through the mind. Being beyond the mind and its primitive programs that enslave the initiate

I do agree with you,

I was talking about when experiences gives something that contradicts what another ended up with through exercise of intellect,

A simple example is if a magician that is good at practice weak at debates, experiences entities/ magic powers and know for sure this is real,

If some very intellectual person debate him, even if he wins the debate, the Mage will just know he failed to convince the other, it won’t change at all his stance that this is real, this is what i talked about,

However, given the fact i like the extremes, i do LOVE reading something sophisticated about magic from someone who never practiced it, i just cannot adopt his stance if he beats me if i know from hard evidence to be standing on truth,

The more strong his stance is, the more fun to read, it will also give me more perspectives, so i absorb everything just to avoid the bubble thing ( thats also why i read every single experience in forum lol so i make sure i get many UPGs not just mine )because the worst ignorance is to assume one encompassed a subject,

However, reading him, if he blocks me with an idea i will laugh and appreciate the potency, however my belief that magic is real will be unshaken, the combat will be purely intellectual, unrelated to my stance toward magic, cornered intellectually or not, i know magic is real, and do know he dont know its real, but will appreciate the debate and the arguments and the new perspectives.

Thanks again for your reply!

Many scholars also practice, you can’t just assume.

Dr David Skinner and Dr Justin Sledge (ESOTERICA on yt) are great examples of practitioners who are also deeply spiritual and also scholastic and produce universtity-level books and training.

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Thanks for recommending !

is there a good book on that? I would love to explore it since im lacking in that area lol

That would be the bible, torah and the apocrypha and the nag Hammadi scriptures? Also the Sumerian tablets and Zoroastrian texts. It’s a lot. :slight_smile:

We have videos explaining it posted on this forum: Whats up with the yahweh hate? - #18 by Mulberry

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