Angels/Daemons/Deities/Spirits

Has anyone ever, ever, EVER seen an Angel/Daemon/Deity/Spirit in their realest form ever? Not in a dream but like maybe half awake state? EVER?

I believe I have, mainly because evocation of an entity brings them here in a spiritual form which they can mold to their will or your will. However, I personally choose to project to their plane where they are as solid there as we are here, only difference is some of them aren’t solid such as elementals, but demons, angels and such have solid true forms, they bleed, the work, they have families, and so forth.

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I think I sorta have, dreams for sure… while scrying in a mirror as well. I did have a few sleep paralysis experiences but that could easily have been my mind. I’ve definitely felt a full blown “presence” manifestation and slightly physical. That was something. No ritual and didn’t expect it.

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Yes. In ritual they can appear physically in the manifestation base, by forming it around them. I usually get eyes and faces.
I also see them without a manifestation base and they look kind of like a heat haze in the area where I feel them to be.

In the half awake state I’ve seen a couple, unasked for of course, one shadow being and one Fae. The first was probably a curious passerby and ran as soon as it realised I was looking at it consciously, and the second had an invitation.

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Only once. I don’t know the name of that spirit, but he is the only one I’ve ever seen physically. I saw him astrally few times, and only once in the “real” world. I wasn’t even in a trance or anything, but I was casually talking to him about an issue I had and I literally saw his face right in front of me smiling, I guess in my mind’s eye ? It is the only time I’ve really seen a spirit.

If talk about the beings of the Fiery World, then most likely the most true form of manifestation is the pillar of fiery light (they can have other forms, for example: dragon, bird, androgynous creature). However, I am still in the process of studying this issue.

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I mean not astral or minds eye or in a trance or a dream. Literally in front of you - even if it’s a bright light source - still - has anyone been able to experience it? Is it exclusive to seasoned practitioners?

Physical manifestation? :thinking: only once when an air elemental too the form of an almost transparent female form but I wouldn’t call it “physical” in the way you’re hoping for.

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Hmmm. Am not desperately wanting to see them - but I read somewhere that it’s all in our heads. So I wanted to debunk that theory. I am more desperate to eradicate the limiting thoughts

Well their not physical beings so it’s unrealistic to think that they’ll magically manifest in front of you, flesh and blood.

My theory is they use our brains/consciousness to help us percieve them. As they aren’t from time/space.

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What’s the name of their plane?

Etheric, spiritual, etc. Not really the astral, that’s more like a collective subconscious imaginative realm. They can meet at the astral, but it’s not their home.

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They can’t live on the 3D plane with us right? So they can only come to know us and our issues or whatever when we summon them right?

Who discovered this? Ethereal / Spiritual planes?

People who project there, like everything we experience we give a name to it.

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Yes I’ve recently learned the structuring method and Im getting physical appearance also. The method works.

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Well they ARE Archangels…

You will never debunk that theory. It has been around for a long, long time. Even the spirits themselves will tell you that our minds affect how they appear to us because nothing can be said to exist outside of our ability to perceive it. Radio waves were invisibly floating around the atmosphere for thousands of years, but we didn’t know they existed until we finally built machines capable of tuning into them.

As quoted in the Book of Azazel, by EA Koetting, “You ask me if I’m real? I’m as real as the world around you, which isn’t very real at all.”

Over a hundred years ago, Aleister Crowley wrote: “In this book it is spoken of the Sephiroth, and the Paths; of Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other things that may or may not exist. It is immaterial if these exist or not. By doing certain things, certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality, or philosophical validity, to any of them.”

So it doesn’t matter one way or the other whether spirits are “real” or not. Magick works regardless. One final quote from the forum’s moderator, Lady_Eva: “When you do weird shit, weird shit happens.”

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Yeah…real isn’t so real…that’s wild

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Try a seraphim :wink:

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How would you even talk to one? They seem so powerful that they would be choosy with who they help

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