I have read that Jesus in Greek is Yesous. in other languages , the Y and J have the same Y sound and when mistranslated into English the J was intended to sound like a Y. As with all things spiritual, there’s more than 1 opinion out there on most any topic , so please feel free to believe what best suits you and I will do the same.
As I understand it, that’s not a name, it’s a title and means messiah. Yeshua the Nazorean was one of many coming out of that mystery school according to the scholarly work of Freddy Silva. The person called Mithras was another, according to him. It was a long tradition that got warped and infiltrated and the Catholic Church played a pivotal role in destroying an deliberately rewriting much oft he texts and info available, because it threatened their power. Constantine threw out 42 books of the bible including Enoch for a reason and it was because they didn’t have good info that could help people understand and ascend. A people with no history have nothing to fight for, and the bible is mostly history. Ergo, garble it, tack in another religions books (the Jewish talmud or old testament which has NOTHING to do with Christ) and hey presto, one fucked up religion that’s a shadow of it’s former self, parasitized and made as useless as the other monotheistic controlling religions.
Some people would rather connect to source materials, books, & prayers. Now I’m conflicted. Why pray a watered down prayer when I know the source prayer or materials?
Experiment (even if its muuuuch longer!) Jesus! Its so lonnnnng & see what happens.
Why are ancient people so long winded like dang…
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My personal feeling for this, is, it really doesn’t matter. The power isn’t in the words and never was - it’s in the mind and heart of the practitioner reading them. Your INTENTION and ATTENTION directs the energy and tells it what to do. Without that, yes, the law of attraction is not invoked, and these are just rote and you might as well be “whistling Dixie”.
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I’m sorry but words DO have meaning. The Lord’s Prayer in the original Aramaic Jesus spoke is different. I was taught the Lord’s prayer as a little girl in several churches as standard. All faiths. Upsetting.
You are advanced. How can you say words don’t matter? You know. Particular words evoke emotion & action like colors and stronger. Sanskrit even uses tones and words for meaning. Sounds can be vibrations. I repeat for others reading: Sounds are vibrations.
“I’m a loser” versus “I’m a Winner”
“I am wanted, I am a money magnet, Money comes to me easily and quickly. I am sexy. I’m beast. I am powerful. I am strong…”
Words have power or I’m high. I could be. No harm done. I did Psalm magic yesterday to cleanse a home of negative energy (besides cleaning) & it worked.
We shall have to agree to disagree 
I don’t see why words would have meaning if you don’t understand them or they are silly and don’t make sense. Your mileage may vary.
Thank you kindly, I’d say I was more intermediate.
I do not see language as anything more than a not-very-good prop. It’s a workaround for the failure to be fully telepathic. That’s why people “vibrate” words - ten the vibration becomes the tool, the actual words are a memory aide at best.
Amen vs Ohm vs Awen - different words same intent, to connect to the divine.
So people who don’t speak English are up shit creek without a paddle? Hardly.
Because as we know, affirmations fail when you do not really believe it or don’t also visualise and manifest the INTENT behind these words. Imagine a non-English speaker mouthing them, not very useful. It’s the MEANING that matters to your system not the modulated soundwaves you are making with your mouth using the air around you.
“Intent is everything”… not “the words are everything” your INTENT is everything.
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Mulberry moderator, I like reading a lot of things. I also say “We can agree to disagree”, but I am not rude or mean to people who don’t speak English as a first language nor do I care if they do. I don’t mistreat people.
Do you really think I think that after reading & seeing some of their systems? IDK why you would think that. I go all over to learn & not always in English. Je parle français un peu et more…People who don’t speak English aren’t bad. My people don’t originally speak English. Much has come from other cultures Mulberry moderator. What’s your issue to come at me like that?
He/She said: “…shit creek without a paddle? Hardly.”
I never said or implied bad about non-native English speakers. Why would you say that? I will never say anything to you or your threads again as you have something against me when I’ve done nothing.
“I am wanted. I am a money magnet” - Can be translated to almost any language, but I did something wrong. Google Translate & apps exist to translate.
Yrs ago I used to watch a christian tv show ( It’s Supernatural ) and they prayed to god In the the name of Yeshua Hamashiach (not Jesus) , which some sources say translates to Jesus the Messiah. In that context it would appear to me that Yeshua is Jesus’s name and Hamashiach means Messiah
That’s fine, I don’t know that source but the one I cite, Freddy Silva has done extensive research of the actual documentation available, and is not coming from a viewpoint of religious doctrine.
So I’ll sick to the people that don’t have a vested interest in marinating a narrative and are only interested in finding out what’s real and not real, myself. I don’t believe that most religious leaders are doing that.
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Mulberry moderator:
You attacked me. You may not see it, but as someone who doesn’t only speak English why would I intend the things you said? We know Google translate & things exist. I do not like how to you talked to me. Do what you will but I never intend to leave out non native-English speakers & won’t ever reply or comment on anything you’ve ever done again as you are very mean or volatile. Very mean.
Did I say Something in another thread you didn’t like? Did you carry it here perhaps? That is not nice or objective. Don’t accuse me of being prejudice to non-native English speakers like this:
“So people who don’t speak English are up shit creek without a paddle? Hardly.” - OMG. You have no idea who’s behind a screen. Why are you saying this?
“Because as we know, affirmations fail when you do not really believe it or don’t also visualise and manifest the INTENT behind these words. Imagine a non-English speaker mouthing them, not very useful. It’s the MEANING that matters to your system not the modulated soundwaves you are making with your mouth using the air around you.” - I did not say that. Go back and read what I said. You responded with emotion, but I didn’t deserve that. People have enough to deal with. Likely more than you.
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I read all over and love learning new languages. Please don’t be so harsh on people. I’ll go back to ghosting now. You really didn’t have to go so hard.
You also said:
“We shall have to agree to disagree I don’t see why words would have meaning if you don’t understand them or they are silly and don’t make sense. Your mileage may vary.”
^So words have no meaning to you. That’s your view. I did not say bad things about non-native English speakers. I am insulted you would go so hard at me & say I meant bad things towards them. Biased accusations. Please don’t do that to people. Be Objective.
Anyways, the Lord’s prayer does have power even if diluted over ages & to some words have power. Call yourself a loser every day and you can become one. We don’t have to agree, but don’t be mean to people.
Realize every connection even if small matters like ripples on the surface of a pond. You give evil & mistreat people & think entitles can protect you? Yeah but for how long? 5 or 20 years? The longer they protect or shield you the harder the fall (I’ve seen). Don’t be a super a—hole.
RULE 38 of Power - If you are truly strong, don’t harm the young & weak. Anyone can do that. Robert Greene didn’t write this, but when strong regardless of age (young or old) you do not harm those weaker than you. You help them unless they pose a threat to you.
It appears to me that you are understanding Mulberry’s words in a backwards way. Let me explain what I understand when she said “So people who don’t speak English are up shit creek without a paddle? Hardly.”
First, she is asking the question “So people who don’t speak English are up shit creek without a paddle?” Then she answers that question with the word “Hardly” which means ;
" People who don’t speak English ARE NOT up shit creek without a paddle".
Mulberry is saying that words have no meaning when the words are in a language that they do not speak. If you hear words in a language that you do not speak then the words have no meaning to you. That is what she is saying by that statement.
Hey it has no matter. MANY USE non-English words in spells. That’s why Mulberry moderator’s comments were an attack or weird. Something I said before this thread upset them. Best wishes to you too. I don’t have energy or want to dance on this:) I have enough on my plate & I am very tired close to death.
Mulberry moderator came at me strongly & I hope realized to be more objective with less emotion. I just want to learn & grow. Never harm or insult anyone when you don’t know them. I’m even certified to teach English as a second language. I have proof of that. All is well. They help a lot of people here, but this was extra.
Delete things if it helps (mods).
Mulberry moderator, if you see posts, comments, or anything from me its never personal. I’m seeking more info. I’ll try to avoid you after seeing how you are. Its ok.
I think her main point is that your thoughts and intentions are the things that matter the most when you are communicating with the Spirits. That is a good point but it is just a part of a larger subject.
When we speak the words of a petition I think the words do have meaning and a purpose. The words you speak can help to focus and enforce your intentions. Saying the words and repeating them can help communicate your intention to the Spirit.
When our relationship with the Spirits progresses to a full time awareness of their presence in your mind then words, prayers and petitions are no longer required at all. You and the Demons communicate directly with each other using only your thoughts. This is an objective of what I would consider to be the ideal format for our Demonic communication.
You can’t answer for another person. Their attitude as a mod is biased. This is one website. Not a big deal. People are imperfect.
Peace.
I’m gonna leave & go back to lurking and not engaging. I’ve never been accused of not liking non-native English speakers. That’s so ridiculous I can’t wrap my head around it besides a personal vendetta. Bye. Thanks for cool things when I did engage before this.
Remind your mods (or whoever runs this site) to be logical and rational. This was unnecessary, but who cares. Lurking is best.
I’m not interested in getting caught up in the rest of the discussion, I would just like to state that using a formula or call in a spell is very different from reciting a prayer.
Where the former is pretty much used and designed for the vibration it causes as well as the literal meaning.
A prayer is all about your intent, reaching out and your personal connecting to your deity. So in prayer there is no point in reciting it in some ancient language if you don’t understand and feel what you are saying.
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I’m not aware that I attacked you. What exactly did I say you intended?
I SAID, that it doesn’t matter what movements you make with your mouth to modulate the sound wave in the air around you, what matters in that you hold the intent of the spell in your heart and mind while you do it - whatever that is.
I don’t know what that is, it’s up to you to make your magicks work though your application of attention and intention. You can do that in complete silence if you want to. My point is that what the words are is irrelevant.
That has nothing to do with you personally. That is MY opinion. And nothing you have said makes me think otherwise.
And you have not been here and I have no ideas why you read that into what I said.
My intention was to explain that non English speaker also use words for the same magick that also works.
The bible is translated into 100s of languages, yes? English was far from the first (it was developed after the Norman conquest of England in 1066)… ergo it’s can’t be the specific English “words”, since they can change them all around, change languages, and the same result obtained.
If this was important, everyone would have to go back to using it in Hebrew, really, not English at all.
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That is NOT not my attitude “as a mod”. It’s my OPINION as a practitioner. My mod status here has nothing to do with that.
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Please understand the meaning of the word “bias”. I have pasted it below…
No my OPINION is not biased: it’s JUST my opinion and I’m allowed to have my own opinions.
I have NOT attacked any group at all in this thread, and that is against the rules. I have not judged anyone for having a different opinion, and I do not deny anyone else their opinion, I simply explained what my own was.
As this is a discussion forum that’s what we’re supposed to do here. If you wanted a forum where everyone will agree with you, this one isn’t it.
Understood. Well, I left Christianity for various reasons more than a decade ago. The fact that problems like this were unending was a part of it. Once you learn the Aramaic texts and culture you come to the conclusion that today’s version of Christianity is literally a different religion from back then. That Aramaic based religion of “Jesus’s Day” wouldn’t even recognize the Church of 2024.
Dude, your understanding of Mulberrys words is in fact flawed. She is NOT attacking you.
This is a typical case when some subtle things are lost in translation…
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