Why I’m scared of Lilith

It’s not so much that Lilith scares me. It’s sexuality in general.

I’ve never had a good relationship with my own sexual desires. When I first started having them, they were just strange and alien. I discovered my first fetish early on in Middleschool, then actually learnt what a fetish was in highschool. In college I actually tried to date, but I ended up making girls feel uncomfortable. I grew anxious, then angry, then depressed. And now I watch porn, feeling like the girls in the videos are syphoning my energy. My YouTube feed is filled with this Mgtow crap. I feel like an Incel.

Sexuality is…complicated. It involves a lot of things, more than just attraction. I wish it was just about attraction, even though I don’t feel attractive. However, it’s more about communication. As in, how and when to approach a woman, things to say how to say them, how to express a sexual interest without making her feel objectified (cause that seems to be a big thing now), how to read cues to know if she’s into you vs not into you (sometimes “just being nice” or teasing can come off as flirting), how to tell if she’s just using you (as that has happened to me before), or how to give consent or tell if you have consent (as that is such an important issue). And communication is not my strong suit.

Plus as an adult, I’ve become aware of several threatening things from under age girls getting into bars, false accusations, stds, and a variety of other stuff. So, let’s add telling age and intent to that list of communication issues. And unfortunately, I find that it can be hard to tell the difference between women in their 20s and girls in their teens. Plus, there’s legal issues also.

I’m not only concerned for my own safety, but also with how I come across to women. Being on the spectrum can mean it is very easy to cross boundaries without knowing. And that can get you into lots of trouble. Especially when sexual feelings are thrown into the mix.

As of a year ago, I began setting ground rules to protect myself from women, and them from me. I don’t touch or be touched by them, maintain 6 feet of distance, keep those I find attractive to the corner of my gaze if not on the outside, keep hands behind my back when Near them, and I just don’t actively approach them at all. I tend to find that it’s best to just assume that a woman does not want attention. Always keep a distance. Obviously this hurts me quite a lot.

I also try to look at it through their perspective, or what I was taught was their perspective. One rule I have is that if I feel like approaching a woman, or complimenting her, whatever I’m gonna say she’s heard it before, and I’ll just be another stranger bothering her when she wants to be left alone. They have the right to not be touched or bothered, and I try to respect it.

When it comes to magick, I’ve collected rituals that are about attraction. But I don’t do them. Not necessarily because of some moral issue (which there is) in making a specific woman want me when she originally didn’t want me before. But because, while I’m casting the spell on her, the act would be like giving power to her. It makes me look and feel weak to be putting in that effort. After all, how do guys look when they do stuff like that on tv. I’d rather become someone who earns a woman’s desire instead of taking it for my self. I’d rather she be the one putting in the effort to attract me. Attraction is power. That’s one law I’ve learnt in life.

As for deities and spiritual beings, I tend to leave alone those who are involved with sexuality. Why? Because I know that if I try to invoke one, even during meditation, I’m subconsciously hoping that she’ll fuck me. I won’t lie. I am aware of my animalistic nature, and sexual desire is an influential part of my being. And unfortunately, that part has proven for me to be trouble. So, therefore the laws I set into place around human women are to be upheld.

As for Lilith and her kin, she’s worse. While I won’t call her evil, some of the posts I’ve seen here about her are…kinda scary. I’ve read that Lilith can be harsh, manipulative, and even aggressive if she doesn’t like you. And I hear that how you treat women is a big deciding factor. And I’m on the fence on how I think I treat them.

If I invoke her, what I’d hope for is the ride of my life. Not only that, but that she blesses me with the same sexual charisma of her kin. Hell, my fantasy is to star in my own harem anime. Like Rosario Vampire or high school dxd. But, realistically, I believe what she’ll do is take all the fears and insecurities I have with women, sex, and dating, and hit me with them like a tidal wave. If she doesn’t vampirize me, and bleed me dry.

All in all, I’m not sure what to expect from Lilith. She pretty much does whatever she wants. Even if I could control her, I doubt I would. Protecting myself is a different story. At the moment, I’m basically leaving her alone. If she approaches me on the astral, I’d allow it, but I’d be a bit guarded.

Sexuality is a complicated subject that naturally invoked insecurities. Not only for me, but for men and women alike. But if anyone would like to share their thoughts, go ahead.

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The best thing a person can do when they don’t know the age of a individual is to ask for an ID.

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Excuse me, miss. May I see your ID?

23, huh? So, what kind of music you like? :wink:

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You’re worrying too much. I’m not trying to be a dick but your level of discernment is pretty bad if you can’t tell the difference between a high schooler and someone in their 20s. Simply put you’re watching too much porn.

I think you’ll be fine if you put yourself out there. You just need to quit being so hard on yourself because it’s just a numbers game. Sometimes you swing and you miss, other times you don’t. Even if you’re unsuccessful in the beginning it helps you gain more experience. You NEED experience. So it’s okay to fail. Each time you try it will bring you closer to your goal.

Lilith can help you work through your blockages regarding sexuality but keep in mind her sexual nature is untamable. So she might provoke you to climb out of your shell but do it with reason. Something like this could backfire if you’re unstable.

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Lol it’s safe than sorry in all honesty. I know a few guys who lie about their age, and one specifically is 15 claiming to be 21 but I’ve long reported him for it.

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i feel like sexual attraction shouldnt be demonized as you percieve it, i don’t see what’s wrong with showing interest , maybe shit is diferent here in europe :0 but you really only gonna try and work on your game , really anyone can fuck just work on your charisma ! cause clearly it’s wierd if your being sexualized by the guy in the corner staring at you secretly. And fetishes are not a bad thing or anything you should be shamed of unless ofc it hurts other people that are not in on it .
And asking for Id is honestly such a plus for me, I grew up since a pre teenager in Italy and man that place is crawling with creepy pedos so that atleast shows that you are Not interested in underaged girls.
And if using spells to make someone specific attracted to you makes you uncomfortable , maybe you should work on your self love, do some shadow work , do some glamour and make yourself attracted to yourself that would probably up your game a lot :slight_smile: and own your own magnetism and you will attract them I’m sure :slight_smile:

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I hate when people do that, you risk time in jail

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I’ve had multiple guys ask for my ID to be on the safe side. It’s not awkward or rude, I totally understand it when it happens to me. Happens to me alot.

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Iisiten man i understand what your saying but you have to take chances with life and women even if they are off by themselves talk to them. Yeah your going to have failures plenty of them but if your too concerned about who’s space your in and how that makes them feel your not going to get anywhere. If you talk to a woman and she tells you no then you can still have a regular conversation with her.

You shouldent be afraid of contacting lilith or any sex god for that matter liith is not going to bite your head off because of what you desire just because your a man. If she treated men and women that differently than i dont think any guy would work with her, myself included. I’m doing a working right now to not only attract a woman but to also turn her in to my pet, lilith is going to be apart of the working to give me and this woman a good sex life.

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you had to post this right after I said I was stepping away from balg

I totally get this. My pathworking currently is with Lilith and Inanna-Ishtar. They scare me more than any being of Death or Chaos ive worked with. I think a lot of people, men especially, have more averse emotions towards love and sex than hate and death. Just something interesting to think about.

Yes, Lilith might totally and completely break you, yes, if you are having trouble learning she will manipulate you to the lessons you need, whether you like it or not. She will teach you love and confidence, but for people like us that can seem worse than death for sure.

Yes she is frightening, but to me it comes down to this, are you ready to grow past these emotions or not? I wont deny the path of abstinence, and I think its very respectable, but in my case when a Goddess of Sex tells me not to be chaste I dont have much of a choice but to listen. I dont know what your path is, but if you choose love Lilith can help you for sure, just dont expect the path to always be pretty.

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I am on the spectrum, so yes, my powers of discernment aren’t the best.

I don’t know about Europe, but the US is both very Puritan and very Capitalist. Sexuality here is treated as both evil and wrong and as the only thing that matters. There’s a common argument that if a man has lots of sex, he’s a stud, but if a woman has lots of sex, she’s a slut. First off, I do not believe in the word Slut, personally. But that thing about men being studs, there’s another side to that. Yes, men who have lots of sex are celebrated, but if a man isn’t he’s treated as a loser. And if he’s looking for it, he’s called a sleaze or something. Sexual prospects are supposed to just fall into your lap. If you’re a man, and you feel a desire for a woman, you’re told you do not respect her as a person. At least if she doesn’t feel the same. In fact, if you even depict women through art in a sexual way, it’s considered objectification and people say “Why don’t you portray them as people and not objects?” Between our conservative Christian background, and our post feminist culture, the US isn’t exactly a place of sexual liberation except for the elite.

Essentially, male success is represented by female attention and approval. Women are something of a commodity, something to represent male social status. Because of that, men live in a culture where organizations and businesses use women to take advantage of male insecurity and loneliness, separating them from their money. All the while, women receive some perks that benefit them short term. Though, at the end of the day, neither side walks away happy and healthy. It’s complicated.

No, that’s not my path. At least not voluntarily.

As long as she doesn’t cause harm to me or my loved ones, and that I can keep my nerdy life style, I’m fine. But, that’s not a guarantee. I’m aware there will be unpleasantness, but there’s telling what form that will take.

I’d have no qualms about acting upon my desires, so long as I’m not causing harm or being harmed in the process. Though, Stds, emotional abuse, and unwanted pregnancies are issues I’m concerned with.

Actually, I consider “Love” to be a potentially dangerous, manipulative, and draining emotion. I consider sexual desire to be more wholesome due to how natural it is. At least it’s easier to understand and control. Love, at least as Eros, is kinda like a form of madness because it binds you emotionally to a person, and there’s no telling what can happen. At least with sexual desire, you can keep your individuality.

In all and complete honesty, my ideal path is to project my consciousness back in time to Middle School, back to where Puberty starts. As you get older, more is expected of you. You’re supposed to have learned certain skills and achieved certain milestones. But not everyone has the fortune to do these things. I’d argue that I’d rather be dealing with sexual insecurities when it’s all new, not just to me but to everyone else, then to be dealing with them as an adult who’s 24. So, the idea is to go back to such a pivotal time period and change my current future. Or to the very least, create a branch in the time line so I can re-experience that innocence of sexual newness and revisit some people who I had to leave behind due to a traumatic experience.

And to share my intentions, I’d also enjoy learning to use sexual energy, to not just benefit myself, but my partner. I tend to think how long a relationship lasts isn’t as important as the way you affect your partner. So, I’d rather have a short but beneficial relationship where I leave my partner in a better state than I originally found her than to be in an ongoing but miserable relationship where I’m fighting with her.

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It’s not that I’m uncomfortable. I’d rather be in the position where women are seeking my attention than be the one seeking theirs. Call it more so competitiveness than discomfort.

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what you need is calm come to yourself. you send so much to lilith. you don’t realize it. just stop what you’re doing go outside and walk around in a forest to clear your head. that’s just that. you won’t get a solution here

ok there is a lot to unpack here my dud listen people sexualize eachother all the time its not a man thing thing or a woman thing. There is litterly a thread on this form where you had a members giveing eachother remote orgasiams. Its the nature of people in general yes there are people who can take this overboard but you cant let what your hearing from other people get in the way of your happiness. What do you think lilith is going to tell you? That your desires are not normal its unnatural.

I’m not trying to rag or rip on you dud but you need to serenely consider what you want because you have too many conflicting views.

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I know we can’t do politics here, but I’m pretty sure this is the group that says men should live in a separate society from women because women are controlling blah, blah, blah. So my magick/sexuality question is this, how are you going to attract women when you’re afraid of us?

This isn’t a big thing “now,” it’s just a thing. If you treat a woman like a toy and you don’t have a relationship with her where that’s acceptable then you are objectifying her and she probably will not like you or want to be around you. Just treat everyone like a human and you’re good!

Ask for an ID like others have said. I’m in my twenties and sometimes I look like a kid. I get it, it might be annoying but just ask.

If you’re concerned about your safety and women, remember women are probably more scared of you than you are of them because we’ve been taught to be considerate of men. Do a protection ritual if you’re still scared.

Where are you confronting women? If it’s at her workplace or on public transporation, then please leave her alone. If you’re at a club, it’s reasonable to assume you can approach.

With Lilith, yes. Consider this: You are a god of wolves and someone who hunts wolves for all the wrong reasons summons you for your help trapping a wolf. You’re likely not going to be kind. So yes, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t contact her if you’re looking for her guidance and respect what she does.

I’m not sure how this is going to get you what you want…? If you want something, go after it. It’s not likely that she’s avoiding you, but most of the time we need to recognize our behaviors and desires before spirits truly intervene. Ask for what you want.

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This is just an example of the rational mind over complicating everything

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Instead of working with Lilith, why not work with Aphrodite instead? She can teach you self love, which will lead to confidence in yourself.

Also, Jason Miller has an exercise in his book Sorcerer’s Secrets called Invocation of the Seducer, where you basically fill yourself with the powers of Venus, and then go out and approach women, asking for phone numbers. The point of the exercise is NOT to pick someone up, but to get rejected while under the influence of Venus, so you learn to roll with it, and realise that it is just part of the game.

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you need to smoke a fat blunt and relax

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:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:

@Johnny_Samhain I’m no expert in this area. However, I’m perceiving that you hold the belief women don’t want sex just as much as men? Once, I figured that out, women really started showing interest.