At first, meditation is something to consider. You need to start awakening your astral senses
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From what ive read, demons can do it but the process is going to require alot of research, preparation and you will most likely make a pact and could possibly be on call for favors as repayment for eternity or till death
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Not really. Most cases don’t need a pact
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It does though needs research and perhaps a sort of offering in order for this to be carried out. The offering depends on the spirit
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That makes sense about the angels. And yeah I’ve done some offerings (like candles, incense, blood, and my much thanksgiving) and even though I’m not sure if the entity was there or not but I’m pretty sure after doing it a couple of times it has to be known. I’m still working on my astral senses. But like I’ve mentioned before all I know for certain I got was a gargoyle spirit guide and inner strength but not love. (Sallos was the diety I’ve gone to) seeing how he’s great at those situations
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I have also heard about Sallos, though I haven’t worked with him to know much about him. You can keep trying because you have some results even though it’s not for love yet. Or you could use that inner strength to your advantage for your love matter.
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The known is comfortable. It is the easier way…
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And now she’s claiming that the earth is flat… http://www.simonarich.com/earth-is-not-a-globe/
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I feel like fear is a driving point for most people. They are constantly afraid of things, so they turn to the what is socially acceptable to find peace within themselves, even if it means staying ignorant. I admit I’ve had to check myself a few times.
I grew up catholic but I haven’t been in a church in years. I think the only way most people can get over it, is push past the fear and not revert back. That’s the only way I’ve been able to keep from going insane. Some people just either push past it or others get trapped in it. Simple as that.
Also, that lady is hilarious! haha The born again christian now thinking the earth is flat. Couldn’t get any more comical than that!
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Christianity is sold in my (American) culture as a ward against supernatural evil, and is easy to default back into if you were raised in it.
About half of the magic practicioners I knew in my teens and 20s, became hardcore Christians. Especially once children showed up, or the learning curve of magick (for example, “the Abyss”) got too steep.
Often what would happen is that they would take up magick initially for the typical young teenager reasons - wanting to make someone love them, become popular, get revenge on a bully. Or perhaps they were just feeling rebellious or wanted to feel cool/special. Not judging, all of these are pretty much why I initially started studying witchcraft as a teenager.
But on some level, they didn’t actually expect the magick to work. Or they didn’t expect that it would have effects upon their consciousness beyond those one or two easy candle spells. Especially if they were unfamiliar with other spiritual paths before studying magick, and unfamiliar with the ample cross-cultural writing about the learning curve of any spiritual practice. The difficulties of spiritual practice aren’t really presented in mainstream American culture beyond horror films and fantasy fiction, where they’re portrayed unrealistically.
So Johnny or Jane learns some really basic magick for some basic teenage goal. But as they practice, they start actually experiencing things that they are unprepared for - not merely supernatural experiences but the amplified drives and feelings that come with early stages of spiritual development. They don’t have proper guidance from someone (most importantly, a much more experienced ADULT) well-grounded in those beliefs, they have spiritual emergencies, and they know of no other way to deal with this besides saying “maybe Satan and demons are real” and running back to the church.
Also, another thing I’ve seen is that some magick practicioners think they hate magick, but what they actually hate is the socially marginalized status of magick. In my culture, we’re raised with one picture of what “normal” adulthood looks like. Christianity is heavily bundled with that image and is seen as a “grown-up” religion for people with children, and when some people hit a certain age or life stage - they think they have to stop doing anything “subcultural,” and join the norm.
And many people reject the drama, social dysfunction, addiction, poverty, and illness rife in many occult subcultures, which is a sociological problem common to a lot of socially marginalized subcultures, and not actually a problem with magick in and of itself. If you’re trying to participate in the American middle class, it may seem like anything that would marginalize you, would run counter to that. Christianity might appeal to someone dealing with this; I get it, because that exact thing was behind a lot of my attempts over my lifetime to give up anything resembling “unconventional” spirituality and just be a Jew (my ancestral faith).
In this case, Christianity presents an image of being socially normal - after all, it is the dominant religion in the United States. Christianity is “branded” as being the religion of employed working class or middle class suburbanites, while magick is branded as being immature/for edgy teenagers, so it makes perfect sense that someone starting to step out of young adulthood and into the “real world” may face a crisis about where magick fits into adult life, and might think that being a Christian will lead to a house in the suburbs, a “normal” non-addicted/non-kinky/monogamous heterosexual marriage, and in general, this specific picture of 1950s white American “normalcy” that we were all raised with as the social ideal. I have literally been told that I will be financially destitute (by people who don’t know I’m Jewish, because most people seem to think all Jews have money) and a homeless, drug-addicted social reject if I practice any other path than Christianity.
(Ironically, it’s that same thing, in reverse, that led my life partner to give up the Pentecostal Christian church he was raised in, and become pagan. He’s experienced that he’s met more rapists and addicts among the people in his former church, than he’s ever met among pagans.)
TL;DR:
- Young people aren’t prepared for the actual consequences of magick practice (or any spiritual development - which mainstream religion actually tries to bypass);
- Young people who practiced because of magick being “edgy,” grow up and decide they want to “belong.”
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I’m not sure what happens, but I would like to. I hope you book an appointment with Mr. Koetting☆
Forgive me beforehand, I went through your post and fixed all your grammar and spelling mistakes. I’m pretty sure English is a second language for you, no one makes the mistakes you do who is raised in the language. And I know that if I were studying a new language I would like someone to point out any mistakes I made with helpful criticisms.
In English, we always capitalize ‘I’ when referring to ourselves. “I went and sat down.” “He and I went to the park.” “May I go to the bathroom.” If you mean to say i specifically as the ninth letter of the alphabet, than it remains uncapitalized, “The ninth letter of our alphabet is i, and I love it.” “The vowels are a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes y.”
Do whatever you want. You could also summon an angel if the idea of a demon frightens you, because the worst thing is to enter an evocation with fear.
UPG Alert: I am on a path of my own ascent. And I believe anyone can ascend from anywhere. In October of 2015 I had a vision while I was meditating, and Jesus appeared to me. At this time I had separated from Christianity and I had expected him to say, “Hey Ashton, repent!” But, he didn’t.
Instead, he told me that everyone has their own path, and I am finding mine, and that “love can open Chakras, love can align the Spirit, love can cause ascension.”
I always go to the Five Paths of Yoga.
There is Karma Yoga which is the path of action. There is Bhakti Yoga which is the path of devotion, In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says, “A bhakta can worship me in any form; whatever form he chooses, I will justify and accept his devotion.” There is Jnana Yoga the path of wisdom and knowledge. There is Raja Yoga the royal road to samdhi. And lastly, Hatha Yoga the path of asanas.
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Why do some people suddenly turn to Christianity?
Because that what happens when you get fucking sick enough! When you can convince yourself that a bitch got pregnant by a ghost – don’t try that one in a court of law – that’s when you’re ready for a pay-obey-pray relationship with an altar boy’s wet dream; god’s sales manager on Earth; old numb-nuts. There’s a lot of desperately stupid people.
Al.
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I am pretty sure that’s possible with certain rites… There are meant to be entities who can do that. All the other spells I tried in the grimoire work (most effective thing I’ve seen ever actually) so I am inclined to believe that this one will as well.
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i know girls/guys that only attend church to know people to have sex.
so it is all social,like a pre-ritual before fuck aha!
because their families only want to see them with people that attend the church,so you go there and it is sure that one of the girls will come hungry for dick.
the girls of churches normally are hungry for dick all the time.
not gonna lie,the girls on church are very tight!!!
its all bullshit,atleast here it is like a neutral point and the people go there but the real intention is to fuck.
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I probably maintain a belief I had years ago, that some people involved in Yoga, esotericism etc. wasn’t able to endure a trial (not necessarily caused by spiritual beings) and, mistaking it, they chickened out.
The Christian culture could sometimes manage to instill doubts, being strong and widespread, all that “only right way” thing.
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I have especially seen people go “cattywumpus” in more mainstream, Right Hand Path oriented, Eastern or New Age paths. At best, breaking your brain might result in major ego problems and a major disconnect from reality (Westerners bring in so much baggage about the mind/body split and about sexual energy from the Western worldview, and I think this disconnection is a real dark side of RHP practice that nobody wants to cop to) and result in narcissistic personality changes and at worst, you might end up in psychiatric care or rehab.
Everything “bad” that people say will happen to you from practicing LHP, happened to me via RHP practices - thinking I was going crazy, narcissistic personality regression and years and years of pointless therapy, damage to my energy system resulting in years of autoimmune illness (which resolved via magic practice), hauntings, weird voices, and later, just a lingering feeling of disempowerment.
I’ve seen more people break their brain in a zen retreat than I’ve ever seen among pagans and occultists. It’s meditation culture’s dirty little secret. They are just less likely to connect their bad experiences to their path and may even double down on practice which leads to further disconnection between their practice and “the real world.” But yes, people do go psychotic just doing seemingly “benign” practices like meditation. And they’re often encouraged to keep doing those practices improperly and without guidance.
These paths are sold as a part of affluent “health/wellness culture” - in American culture, a lot of people getting into Buddhism, yoga, or qi gong may initially start of atheistic in orientation and be sold the practice as part of health or wellness, and so they may have no preparation whatsoever for shadow stuff that comes up, or for actual spiritual “awakening” symptoms. It doesn’t help that so many Western teachers are utterly out of their depth when it comes to mystical experiences via those paths.
Whereas someone taking up witchcraft probably does at least harbor at least some expectation of ghosts, demons, or magic actually existing.
For all the talk of Western magic being “bad” for Westerners, I suspect asceticism - which feeds off of personality damage and psychological fracturing and abuse we already receive in this sexually messed up, consumerist culture and in the average person’s dysfunctional family system - is often a lot worse.
*Edited to add: Another thing that Westerners very typically bring into Eastern practices, is that Eastern practices (with traditional guru/lama/sensei/etc relationships) can be very appealing to Westerners who feel disconnected from Western culture and are seeking some sort of rigid hierarchic structure and a surrogate parent figure, but don’t want to go to Christianity for these things. Especially since, unlike the occult or paganism, Buddhism and yoga are almost mainstream. There are so many guru relationships that go wrong - whether it’s because of a cultural disconnect on the part of a Westerner who romanticizes non-Western cultures and/or a teacher taking advantage of the student’s ignorance, or because of a Western teacher who doesn’t have a full understanding of the path and/or is also in it for the wrong reasons. I’d hazard to guess that “going wrong” is actually the rule.
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YES - I’ve been saying that for years, not just here, trying to convince people that all this “I must detach and renounce the world” stuff is dangerous as hell for the average non-hermit, and often felt like I was yelling into the void! 
I had a lot of these things, though thankfully I’m both crazy enough and stubborn enough that they merely provided the launchpad of my own ascent via the LHP, I posted about it here:
In the tutorial for core shamanism I have created, a large chunk of the Upper World section’s intro (where people meet ascended masters and so on) is a warning against this kind of problemas well, because I have seen far too many people who studied alongside me get led a merry dance, while practicing with great care and attention, through an excess of trust in spirits and the baseline notion that detaching from this world must always be good and holy. 
And I agree totally that the normal advice people are given, to become even more immersed, is toxic in the majority of cases, especially for the divorced and/or neurotic women who seem to make up 80% of clientele for these services, and who combine a childlike need to be led, with deep self-hatred (which overlaps into hatred of their society and everyday environment) and emotional instability.
PS Thanks for the article link, it horrifies me that “mindfulness meditation” is recommended so smugly right now to people with clinical depression, bipolar, and even PTSD, when Himalayan Academy, very conservative and traditional Huindu teachers, instruct that meditation is NOT suitable for people who regularly feel sad or angry, due to the energising effects on the lower chakras.
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Where can I find this???
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I typed out a tutorial (I’ll PM it to you after posting this) which I’ve sent to a few people on here - the only reasons I haven’t posted it publicly are 1. any tutorial generates ongoing questions by new members who find it, which is fine, but I can’t always commit the time to give them the attention they deserve, and 2. the people I did some training with, the Foundation for Shamanic Studies, had some kind of weird copyright, although this is taught openly by other teachers, but I’m not sure where the line’s drawn so I’m keeping this to PM for now, to avoid those complications. 
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