Who's the Devil in norse and Hindu mythology

Like I consider Lucifer the devil in the Infernal, him being the Lord of hell

And hades in the Greek underworld

But what about norse or Hindu mythos

Yama is the god of death and the afterlife in Indian mythology. But he is not a demon. Rather, if we look for parallels, then he can be compared with Hades in Greek mythology.

In general, if you look at Indian myths, the line between demons and gods in certain places can be blurry. There are Devas - a class of gods, and there are Asuras - their opponents. But some deities are alternately called Devas and Asuras.

By the way, in Zoroastrianism, on the contrary, Devas are demons, and asuras are good deities. Of course, there are a number of negative spirits, these are rakshasas and pishachas.

As far as I remember Indian mythology, they lack the concept of the devil as such (or his clearly framed image). There are strong demonic entities (for example, Vritra), with which the gods fight and defeat.

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Not sure if they have one in Norse. They do have trickster archetypes like Loki and Hel/Hela runs the underworld/Niflheim

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So Hel should be the Norse Devil

What @Adrin said. Plus we have no concept of “The Devil” or a common sweeping adversary.

Most of the Hindu Gods and Godessses have a lighter and Darker version. E.g. Kali has other lighter forms such as Durga.

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No she’s the Goddess who rules over the realm of the dead. She’s very neutral even in the Lore and just does her job.

Hades isn’t really a devil figure. He guards the kingdom of the dead much like Hel. Now Eris would be more of a devil in Greek Lore but she’s good at being bad :relieved:

Spot on! The Iranians demonized the Hindu Gods and vice versa.

The devil in Hindu mythology probably Maya. I have no experience with this deity but as a being of Illusion well he plays an adversiarial role against those seeking enlightenment

Now Norse Lore has no devil in the typical sense. Beings like Surtur, Loki or even Odin can be considered the devil based on who you ask but overall all Gods and beings do their job in the cycle. Odin may seem dark for doing some intense things to achieve his desires, Surtur may seem evil for destroying the world with fire. Loki may seem evil for his tricks but these all play out for the natural cycle weaved by the Norns.

Same with most pantheons. Persephone is a Goddess of spring and death and likewise from my UPG, so is Hel.

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Also just because a deity is dark or rules over the underworld does not make them a devil figure. Most of these Deities are very neutral even in the Lore. Nyx is a good example of this

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The most interesting thing is that the roots of the two religions are common. I think that not all deities have been completely demonized. For example, the deity Trita Aptya exists in Indian mythology as a deity, and in Zoroastrianism - as a legendary hero.

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Yes! And Indra and Vayu were still considered “good” in Iran. Vayu because the winds could ward away evil spirits I think

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Pagan religions dont have a need of a scapegoat and as a result they dont have a devilish figure in their mythology. All gods have positive and negative traits, just because a being is dark or is associated with the underworld, it doesnt make it “the devil”.

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Norse and Hindu mythology don’t really function like Christianity does, so there isn’t really an actual “devil”. You have demons, giants and other creatures, but there isn’t anyone going around dragging people’s souls into Hell.

I know in the case of Norse mythology that the reason it seems black and white is due to Snorri Sturluson (an Icelandic Christian) editing it as such to make it more appealing to Christians. Loki was never seen as a villain until then.

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There isn’t one, because life is not black and white and duality is a fake invention of xtians, designed for control.

The prison is your mind.

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Well I never assumed a devil figure to be evil, to me it just represents a being ruling over an Infernal underworld.

When I saw Hades the first time, he was on his throne, almost looking like an all black demon.

Persephone had Lilith vibes

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That was what it was invented for though. If you can subvert the idea into something useful, great, but then, why subvert non dualistic religions back into something that is a lie?

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I think that here we can talk about certain, demonic or dark aspects of the deity. About one or more of its faces that you saw.

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Ahh that’s what you meant. A ruler of the Underworld?

In that case it would depend on the Loka in Hinduism you go to or the Hall in Norse. For general it would be Yama and Hel.

No.

Hinduism and Chinese philosophy have been around longer than Christianity and they both have elements of duality.

Not every mainstream philosophy was invented by Christians. :joy:

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Incorrect. Duality has been in existence for a longtime before Christianity. Taoism comes to mind. Many cultures have and hold such beliefs.

Zen

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Yah but the dead in xtianity also live in heaven, which makes the yahweh thing also a lord of the dead, and heaven a kind of underworld.

You can’t separate the xtian devil from the xtian blame game of “this is evil”.

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Ehhh, it makes it easier for me to associate the figure of the Devil (in my view of the Devil) as one specific being in a pantheon that rules of a specific type of hell or underworld, whether they are evil or good will be based on my own upg, which I always approach without bias and learn