Who is "The Dragon"?

[Lady_Eva]

Regarding approaches: whatever you do, whether it’s cracking the whip, addressing them as aspects of your own consciousness (which some on here truly believe, and my own husband believes this as well, and he gets results) or literally grovelling and begging, and offering traumatic ordeals as a sacrifice, there is ONE thing I believe is an absolute: you must OWN the practice, and the worldview which supports it must be clear and unhindered by any contradictory values, and possessed with a burning faith and fury.

(I mention contradictory values because you seem to have a feminist concept of Lilith, so be careful how this interacts when dealing with male spirits, I don’t say this to get “political” and I am not trying to tell you what to believe, but simply to start the ball rolling of checking for values clashes, especially ones between your true desires and your social conditioning, which can itself also be deeply contradictory in nature.)

Back to the wider topic, I’m going to share below something I posted a few years ago which I still stand by, when a member was having difficulties with Lucifer seemingly not coming through on a deal - note that this is the business side of magick, if you choose to have an erotic relationship with a spirit that delivers some kind of D/s dynamic, be careful that’s not just rationalising their failure to deliver for you:

@Lady_Eva

It’s my experience that if you kneel to any spirit, place fulfilling their will above your own needs and get NO return on your pacts, then you’ve entered into an enslaving religious covenant with that spirit whereby they get to dictate your thoughts, actions, and even shape your will.

This is religion as in, “I will please and appease this non-physical being in the hopes that someday, it will shine generously upon me” and this is how religious people can be totally compliant worshippers, decent and sincere people, and yet have utterly shitty lives, and many have handed the literal fate of their souls after death over at various times to the spirits they placed in the throne-room of their own lives.

And many of the spirits will test you, jostle their will against yours asking for more and more subservience, obedience, fear…

Yet if you COMMAND them, tell, don’t ask, and generally step onto the throne of your own life, they will begin to comply, enact your will, and stop being jerks.

Are you, or are you not, the god of your own creation?

Yes, it’s good IMO to be on peaceable and constructive terms with as many spirits as possible, and to not create enemies.

But as soon as they go too far asking for blind faith - nah, I don’t personally like that, and I tried it for long enough!

Some will appreciate you cracking the whip (so to speak) at any stage, because they recognise you’ve got to start from somewhere - others will only take that from someone they respect, and they may test you to see if you’re worthy of that respect.

Often, those tests will consist of throwing shit at you to see exactly how much you’re willing to take - when I first met Belial and he attacked me, I HAD to step into my goddess-nature and fight back, command the legions he’d called - I suspect promising to make him his very own altar if he’d please kindly make them stop, would have been a disastrous move…

IMO offering more and more obedience to Lucifer is stepping OUT of enlightenment and isolate consciousness and into the shadow of slavery and religious observance.

But, I could be wrong about you, him, and this situation - I’m simply trying to expalin the reasoning behind my opinion here.

Good luck with whatever you choose.