What do you see Satan as?

Glad I’m not the only one Zekariah!

Perhaps the only difference between the lunatic and the Leader is the ability to cogently elucidate the insane things within our minds. Without said ability, though, I most definitely would have been committed long ago. I’m fortunate to have just enough communication skill to infect the world with my madness! Folie a deux, or in the last few years, “folie à plusieurs”

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There are many devils and multiple versions of satan

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I really don’t believe in a most powerful. Just varying degrees and classes of spirits. Devil is a Christian idea relating to a tormenting or adversarial spirit. Often devils mentioned in the Bible were regional gods of indigenous peoples in North Africa and the Middle East. Spirits such as Hasatan, Beelezebub, Belial, and Azazel were mentioned in the Bible. They belong to a larger paradigm of spirits active in the early days of human civilization. Some of these spirits are in contact with members of this forum. Some devils are very knowledgeable, some are very cruel and sinister.

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what do you mean by a larger paradigm
is that a more powerful pantheon
or a pantheon with more spirits

By larger paradigm I am referring to the historical and cultural context these spirits were taken from. There are Spirits from Egypt, Ethiopia, Canaan, Sumeria, Babylon, Assyria, Phonecia, Greece and Rome active along side their Hebrew counterparts. Some of these spirits made their way into the biblical narrative. Also, due to the trade routes in the ancient world, Chinese, Indian, European and African cultures intermingled in the heart of the empires. Cities such as Jerusalem, Babylon, Alexandria, Cairo, Athens, and Rome had contact with cultures all over the known world! They shared philosophies, sciences, histories, and more importantly they shared their religions and magickal practices. I personally believe that the pantheon of actual spirits must either be infinite, or a small group of spirits has been impersonating thousands of other spirits throughout human history.

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Don’t forget about thought forms powered by centuries of superstition, everybody loves to have a boogeyman they can call their own.

What we’re really talking about are deific masks of primordial consciousness and power.

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all of the above to keep it simple, everything is a force, can be represented and accessed, understood through symbol and the concepts surrounding it to be understood, but yet different in each individuals subjective psyche. anything that invokes energy is part of a universal current, thus everything is a part of it, but at varying degrees depending ont he individual and their connection to other things, allignment of their psyche’s. and anything capable of being imagined is an entity, wither formed, or waiting to be formed and unleashed through the universal current. atleast thats it for me in a nutty sheel.

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What we're really talking about are deific masks of primordial consciousness and power.
So in evocation are we traveling back to a primordial moment and hijacking that power?

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Lord of the Bowels.

Jean Dubuis in his Foundations of Esoteric Knowledge states the soul comes down to Earth in a very long journey to gain Perfection and Awareness of Self.

In this Journey 2 forces help it, Satan being the force wich produces involution, descending into the Material Plane (in many stages, incarnations) till the soul develops a consciousness capable enough.

Then this force diminishes and another force enters into the game Lucifer, wich helps the soul in is Ascending from Material Plane, to the Spiritual Plane (in many stages, incarnations)

I like his view of Satan and Lucifer, but again there are many more, wich states these are the names of actual entities.

I don’t remember very well about ONA point of view but for them Satan is a “close” name, but not the exact one of an actual entity living in the Spiritual Realm (the Acausal)

One lady in a book says she saw a vision of Satan in hell. There were a lot of people in the coals and fire, moaning and groaning. Satan walks into the chamber. The fire explodes. The people start screaming, “Satan is Lord”, over and over. He got high and puffed up (literally) feeding off their energy. Then he left the chamber, the fire died down (some), and the people continued moaning and groaning in the coals. This story came from a christian author Mary K. Baxter, in a book called Divine Revelation of Hell.
I am not saying what she saw was real. But, how many of your so called ‘friends’ would turn on you in an instant. Can we trust the intention of anyone around us? If the economy collapses and we are all starving how many of us would kill and eat the person next to us? That would be hell (earth?)
Psychic vampires do it all the time. They don’t care about anyone else. Just satisfying the ‘thirst’. So I can see the possibility of this scenario of hell, where people worshipping Satan in this world carry that ‘thought pattern’ and activity into ‘eternity’ where they would be tortured and screaming ‘Satan is Lord’, ( “over and over, because hell is repetition. BORN IN SIN, COME ON IN. Haaaa”.)
The above is a Stephen King movie quote from Storm of the Century. The character (bad guy) Andre ‘’’‘Linoge’’’, ‘’’ Legion’’’ for we are many.
Anyway, I would not sell my soul to the devil, or anyone else.
(I’ll sell others to the devil). Worse case scenario of course.
Whether or not Satan is a real entity, life is full of negative, destructive (Satanic?) events and energies.
David R. Hawkins describes a ‘Luciferic’ temptation in his third book I Reality and Subjectivity, and sixth book Discovery of the Presence of God.
He says the voice “In the silence, unasked” tempted him with power over others. In his third book he says that when he refused the offer “The entity retreated.” In the sixth book he says, “There was no entity present as the source of the temptation. It was a silent temptation.” He is also coming from a mostly buddhist background. Open minded. Jesus Christ, Buddha, Krishna, Brahman, Mazda, and Zoroaster (Zarathrustra) at a callibration of 1000 consciousness level. Max energy on earth. Zoroaster 860 2nd and 3rd book. 1000 books 4, 5, and 6. Don’t know why the change in calibration.
So there are a lot of ‘saviors’ out there. (If they exist at all).
I cannot say experientially if there is a real devil. Don’t want to find out the hard way if he exists. I have enough personal problems of my own.
All I can say is that if I had to sell someone to the devil, I can add to the christian quote, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, God’s what is God’s,(And Satan what is Satan’s). My addition.
All that I can say for sure is that humans and animals (humans?) have base natures and it would not take much to push us ‘over the edge’. So if hell is real and Satan is real, and if he is in hell, then hell must be a very miserable place, and “misery loves company”.
On the internet, a movie called “The Haunted 1991, part 8”, 2 minute and 54 second part. Then just listen.
Also the movie The Prophecy part 3 The Ascension. Right after the preacher gets shot. The killer in his house in the next scene talking to his demon friend.
The window shade flies open, and you hear blood curdling screams in the background.
So I probably would not want to meet him face to face.

all of the above to keep it simple, everything is a force, can be represented and accessed, understood through symbol and the concepts surrounding it to be understood, but yet different in each individuals subjective psyche. anything that invokes energy is part of a universal current, thus everything is a part of it, but at varying degrees depending ont he individual and their connection to other things, allignment of their psyche’s. and anything capable of being imagined is an entity, wither formed, or waiting to be formed and unleashed through the universal current. atleast thats it for me in a nutty sheel.[/quote]

How the fuck did sheep like you end up here?judeo christianic bullshit

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Jesus ( despite of many evidences that he didnt ever existed, I believe that he existed in human form ) open the gates between Earth ( Malkuth ) and Heaven ( Kether ) via Tiphareth which is the sphere of Redemption, and where people like Rosicrucians puts Jesus. The evidence of this, related on the Bible is the Open of the curtain between Sanctum and Sanctissimus in the Jew Temple. That represents the open the gates of man to “return to the source” and become One with God “again”. This is a path. No one, would done this just like him. Im agree on that. Buddha did the same for himself reaching Nirvana ( Kether ) but before he went to Avici ( Qlipphot). So he moves around all the trees.

Some people dont want to be “saved”. Because be “saved” represents go back to God and loose indentity. Its a matter of temperament. Not faith.

For whom wants to go further and become gods and more powerful, they need to walk down the “Dark Path” far from the light of God, to reach their own independence. What you see in “Heaven/Hell” is your personal interpretation of your soul of that. Every person on earth has their own interpretation of Hell.

It is dangerous to walk the “dark path” Yes, it is.

I recommend you, if you wish, and if you are brave enough to read the “Alien Codex” by Alienology.org. Its a nice stuff to understand from where comes your belief system, the sin, the punishment and many other stuff.

I do believe you u were in Hell/Heaven, but I believe you were not ready for accept the ultimate truth either. The ultimate truth is in yourself. If you want to return to the source after dead ( Which will not happen ) its ok, nobody will stop you, but HERE, we work to becomes gods. This not creates an automatic fight against god or something. Not at all. ( well some people want to Kill God but this is another story ).

We are here because we wanted.
I was in heaven too…and In hell…
I am toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo older than you…
Too older…
Before you become to breath, I existed…
Before you become flesh I saw the way you were designed…
Now…I am your god…
:slight_smile:
( pretty cool uh? )

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How the fuck did sheep like you end up here?judeo christianic bullshit[/quote]
Relax Pazuzu, let the baby express with its own words…
Let it babbling a bit…
Probably he could become an apprentice of his inner ultimate truth…

calmly takes the true book of filth and goes upside ur head(hehe)

      "Satan is a code - a living code with in us. Satan is a Hebrew word. It is spelled in Hebrew, seen-tayt-noon.  In colloquial Hebrew it means adversary or accuser as well as it's English meaning. Each of it's three letters is also a "word." They each in turn have meaning. According to Qabala, seen represents a movement - a universal or cosmic motion - one that underlies the movement of all things in the universe. It is pictured by Qabalist as the "breath of God" returning from the material plane back to the infinity of God.
      Tayt represents a primitive cellular structure. It could be a living cell, a memory "engram," a neural circuit, or any other analogy representing a basic structure exhibiting the cell-like behavior we understand. It is a feminine concept that tends to enclose energy repeating itself, as bird builds a nest for egg laying. It is a self-referring concept, one that continues to build itself in it's own image.
      Finally, noon stands for a high principal operating within the cosmos. This is the principal of cosmic indeterminism."

      The Eagles Quest Fred Alan Wolf
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