What are some herbs traditionally used to develop the inner sight/spirit sight/astral sight?

Shamanism, Entheogens, The Elements & Nature Magic
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I’m also looking for ways to ingest or inhalate safely if necessary if anyone here has any experience with that. This is going be done as part of structured ritual rooted shamanic/traditional witchcraft practices. Technically your not supposed to do this, but as this is a week point for me and the vast majority of the rituals take place in the astral, I need something to act as a to vehicle safely to get me there.

Has anyone here had experience using herbs traditionally associated with spirit sight?

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They don’t as much develop it for you, as much as help you use it so you can practice with them.

I tried for a long time with things like mugwort and wormwood incense, “witches flying ointment” which contains these and other poison path plants like belladonna which kind of helped meditation but that might have been a psychosomatic effect. In the end they don’t really work enough to make the money worth it. I didn’t try to smoke them, eat them or use particularly large quantities.

I tried home-grown morning glory seeds and nothing happened. I grew my own Datura but didn’t get around to trying it and now the seeds are old I don’t expect much out of them, I will grow a couple of plants next gardening season (they’re gorgeous) and maybe try then. I’m very cautious which is safer but not always great for getting strong experiences.

What has worked for me is weed and psilocybin. I did try cactus juice (mescalin) but nothing happened and the nausea was too much for me. It’s an hallucinogen, but I’ve never really had any real hallucinations on anything so it may be me. The effects are all in the minds eye anyway, so I prefer to use closed eye meditations to get the most out of what I’m already doing, such as pathworkings, shamanic journeying, CE5s or energy cultivation. Being a wimp about having nausea is why I’ll probably never try ayahuasca.

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Well where can the latter two be obtained legally without spending a pretty penny? I’ve heard they also work for other people but where people obtain them I’m not sure.

Also all plants have sprits I believe or maybe more accurately consciousness. Each one being different from another. They could singular or collective but they are there imo and according to many other shamanic based cultures. Ayahuasca is connected to a spirit called Mother Ayahuasca by the tribes people of the Amazon that utilize that plant. So Idk if partaking in a ayahuasca ceremony is that useful if your not interested in connecting with her particularly.

Lastly, I had a idea the other day, after thinking about your comment. What about Fly Agaric mushrooms? Those are pretty common across Europe and North America. I don’t know how to utilize them safely, but if there was a way as they did in the past, perhaps that might work. What do you think Mulberry?

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Also called Amanita Muscaria, there are also products that have just the active ingredients (Muscarine, Muscimol and Ibotenic Acid) and not the toxins. I found a seller of gummies of the active ingredients in amanita but haven’t tried the product yet. There’s some thought that you can’t always just isolate chemicals and expect the same effects and spiritual work as the whole food, which also makes sense but you get what you can get.

You can find them online, for me NJ and NY are selling weed recreationally now, though it’s expensive. For THC, the Delta 9 variant is what’s illegal, but products containing less than a certain tiny amount are legal in most states, and there are other chemicals that get the effects - THCa is legal and is the chemical that if heated (smoked or vaped) turns into THC, you find it most in young buds. HHC is a man-made version of THC. THC Delta 8 is legal (so far, things look good for that staying so) and a slightly weaker variant. You can get flower with these and and low Delta 9.

Personally I have no interest in CBD, and most flower contains a mix - however CBD binds to the same receptors as THC, blocking the psychic effects, (and I don’t like the heavy body effect of CBD anyway). So I avoid the buds and only get concentrates, vapes or edibles. At the moment sites like thedopestshop .com sell HHC, hellomood .com (which you’ve maybe seen advertised) sells Delta 8. I’ve moved into psilocybin from schedule35 and psilouette. (I can’t link them as they are commercial sites but they re easy to find.)

As a bonus, having horrible insomnia, I’ve accidentally found that the low dose psilocybin gummies completely fix my sleep, with zero side effects or grogginess in the morning, I just wake up naturally, and early, refreshed - it’s almost weird I’m so unused to it lol. AND I get cool dreams. :slight_smile: They’re worth it just for that in my book.

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Please have you tried India hem

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No I haven’t. What’s your experience been with it and how is it safely ingested?

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Mulberry, in your posts, you mentioned several herbs and essentially concluded that they aren’t particularly effective. I’m curious—did you try these substances before or after you were able to see spirits through your own efforts?

How would you compare the state of consciousness during a mushroom trip to that experienced during an evocation? On mushrooms, a person often feels strange, undeniably intoxicated, with heightened emotions. Depending on the strain—for example, Psilocybe cubensis there might also be feelings of anxiety. I’m not saying mushrooms are terrible, but the experience can feel very peculiar.

I’m curious about the experience of a sober evocation. Do you remain in a normal state of consciousness while perceiving spirits, or is it necessary to enter a trance state to see them? If a trance is required, is the mental state similar to that of a mushroom trip—feeling intoxicated, with heightened emotions, and perhaps a sense of unease, like an ominous presence is lurking just beyond your perception?

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First of all, that’s not quite what I said. A crutch will help you walk if you have a bad leg, but it’s not effective at fixing your leg for you - taking time to heal does that.

So, herbs and entheogens are, in my mind, basically crutches. The issue here is that if you consistently rely on them INSTEAD of developing your skills, you will never gain real skills or move to the next level. Next level meaning, being able to use your psychic skills during every day life, without being in trance, or high, just knowing what you need to know at any given second, and getting deeper information that is not somehow filtered through the sphere of influence of the entheogen’s spirit.

the goal is to use them to give you a helping hand, but continue developing real skill so you don’t need them, if at all possible.

I’m curious—did you try these substances before or after you were able to see spirits through your own efforts?

Both. I have always sensed spirits, which I found out growing up in a house with spirits in it, and then when I started studying qigong in my 20s, I became much more sensitive, though mainly in the area qigong cares about, which is internal energy not spirits. I’m over 50 now, so I’ve been working on this for decades, on and off.

After I discovered the Western Occult about 6 years ago, I started looking outwards again, and using psychic senses for information gathering became more of a priority. This is where clairsentience and sensing energy came in, and I became interested in entheogens for lucid dreaming and exploration.

I found that for sensing spirits, weed is crap. Most entheogens like this just make me annoyingly dizzy, but maybe I didn’t take enough. I will tend to get a boxed-in feeling as if I’ve become aware of “the veil” but I don’t know how to get though it yet. It’s probably a mental issue on my end. I like mushrooms which are great for shamanic journeying - they help make the journey more intense, clearer and more detailed. I prefer amanita to psilocybin but both are good, and sometimes I mix them

I’ve had good experienced lucid dreaming with various dream herbs - there’s African dream root, blue lotus, Mexican dream herb and others, and you can often find mixes. My favourite supplier went out of business and I haven’t found another blend yet, but I’m looking for one.

So as for as crutches go that’s all great. Another analogy is like having a gym buddy spot you for those last reps to help you max out your volume for the day. Like with gym work, technique matters, applying yourself during the work matters, or you don’t get the benefit. So they don’t do it FOR you, but you can use them to help you build up your skills, as long as you try and don’t expect a free ride.

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Basically, the same answer s in this post here, only not as succinct: :smiley:

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Anointing your “third eye” with Tiger Balm, an ointment made with camphor, can help you perceive the unseen. In her chapbook, Drawing Down Belial, the demonolator S. Connolly has recipes for several balms and tinctures that can aid in divination and other astral practices.

She also has a book all about herbs called Wortcunning for Demonolatry.

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It’s very ok . you can soak in alcohol and drink or smoking

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Hey, out of curiosity, what brand of gummies are these?

I’d normally just ask in a PM but I apparently cannot PM people on the site right now.

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Psilouette.

Yeah, the PM feature unlocks automatically when you’ve mooched around the site enough, doing user-y things like reading other people’s posts that satisfy it that you’re not a spambot.