What are Jinn? Is this simply an Arabic word for spiri? Or a different class

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A few things first:

Jinn
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(in Arabian and Muslim mythology) an intelligent spirit of lower rank than the angels, able to appear in human and animal forms and to possess humans.

Iblis: The Islamic Devil (compared to Satan & Lucifer). Also described as chief Jinn.

Backstory: I have become quite interested in Jinn. I began watching videos of ‘Jinn catching’ which is the art if ‘catching’ a Jinn that has made residence in somebody and exorcising it.

Now I find this topic incredibly interesting for various reasons: firstly, in these Jinn excorcisms, unlike a Christian style excorcism, the spirit is completely and totally subdued. It cannot thrash or fight or otherwise be violent. They are subdued to the point the excorcist sits right beside the person with the Jinn, completely comfortably and unafraid of harm.
Second, and this deals with what Jinn have said in these sessions: they apparently have religion. They could be Muslim, Christian, etc. I found this completely unbelievable, that maybe it’s just lying? The excorcist often converts the Jinn to Islam!
Third: the Jinn have claimed Iblis is their father. Now as I’ve said above, Iblis could either be another word for Lucifer, or the name of the chief Jinn. One of the Jinn claimed the Illuminati is the greatest creation of their Father (Iblis).

With all this said, I want to know as much about Jinn as anyone is able to share with me.

(On a side note, has anyone else found problems with the forum? Some letters don’t come out properly and have to be retyped… For instanc… the E there was deleted automatically for some reason?)

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According to Qur’an Jinn and Humans were created by god to worship him, they supposedly have free will just like humans so they can pretty much believe in anything and have different characters. They are basically just a different race of intelligent beings who at one point allegedly lived with humans in the same world. They also drink and eat and apparently they can procreate. I`ve read that they are mortal and they supposed to go to heaven or hell (according to religion). I’m not sure if they are children of Iblis or not, some people say so but Qur’an clearly says (15:26-27) that god created them so I don’t know about it. Though here it says that Iblis is a jinn and he has some descendants. Some hadith says that angels were made of light while jinn were made of fire. I don’t know I guess all these religious texts are very contradictory. There’s even surat Al Jinn in Qur’an where jinn talk about themselves. Interestingly it’s surat number 72 [url=http://quran.com/72]http://quran.com/72[/url]
If you want to read more I suggest you to look into interpretations of Qur’an (unless you are willing to read it and interpret on your own) and maybe some Hadith of prophet Muhammad. Also, some Sufi literature might be useful but unfortunately a lot of it is in persian, turkish, arabic or some other languages like urdu or pushtu.
If you want to work with jinn, the only book I know that mentions how is Shams al-Ma’arif.

Also funny thing is demons of king solomon are called jinn of king suleiman in islamic literature so it won’t surprise that if you do a research and end up with some hebrew manuscript.

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I have been trying to find PRE-ISLAMIC jinn spirits etc; ISLAM is such a concocted re-invented- re-up-egregored, outgrowth of judeo christianity the best I can say is that any spirits mentioned are wearing at least 3 masks, at best I want what under the masks.

[quote=“Illustrious, post:1, topic:5238”]A few things first:

Jinn
noun
(in Arabian and Muslim mythology) an intelligent spirit of lower rank than the angels, able to appear in human and animal forms and to possess humans.

Iblis: The Islamic Devil (compared to Satan & Lucifer). Also described as chief Jinn.

Backstory: I have become quite interested in Jinn. I began watching videos of ‘Jinn catching’ which is the art if ‘catching’ a Jinn that has made residence in somebody and exorcising it.

Now I find this topic incredibly interesting for various reasons: firstly, in these Jinn excorcisms, unlike a Christian style excorcism, the spirit is completely and totally subdued. It cannot thrash or fight or otherwise be violent. They are subdued to the point the excorcist sits right beside the person with the Jinn, completely comfortably and unafraid of harm.
Second, and this deals with what Jinn have said in these sessions: they apparently have religion. They could be Muslim, Christian, etc. I found this completely unbelievable, that maybe it’s just lying? The excorcist often converts the Jinn to Islam!
Third: the Jinn have claimed Iblis is their father. Now as I’ve said above, Iblis could either be another word for Lucifer, or the name of the chief Jinn. One of the Jinn claimed the Illuminati is the greatest creation of their Father (Iblis).

With all this said, I want to know as much about Jinn as anyone is able to share with me.

(On a side note, has anyone else found problems with the forum? Some letters don’t come out properly and have to be retyped… For instanc… the E there was deleted automatically for some reason?)[/quote]

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I donlt know if I mentioned this, try looking up 3 goddesses: “Al-Uzzá was one of the three chief goddesses of Arabian religion in pre-Islamic times and was worshiped as one of the daughters of Allah by the pre-Islamic Arabs along with Allāt and Manāt.” ~ Wikipedia

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Daemonic dreamstore,in uk,has a book,call,devasting dijjins magic,from how to invoqe to raise them,also caselius in finbarr has some too,and a lady call,brigstar,or smthing, if anyone wants to knw more booklets pm,

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[quote=“Illustrious, post:1, topic:5238”]A few things first:

Jinn
noun
(in Arabian and Muslim mythology) an intelligent spirit of lower rank than the angels, able to appear in human and animal forms and to possess humans.

Iblis: The Islamic Devil (compared to Satan & Lucifer). Also described as chief Jinn.

Backstory: I have become quite interested in Jinn. I began watching videos of ‘Jinn catching’ which is the art if ‘catching’ a Jinn that has made residence in somebody and exorcising it.

Now I find this topic incredibly interesting for various reasons: firstly, in these Jinn excorcisms, unlike a Christian style excorcism, the spirit is completely and totally subdued. It cannot thrash or fight or otherwise be violent. They are subdued to the point the excorcist sits right beside the person with the Jinn, completely comfortably and unafraid of harm.
Second, and this deals with what Jinn have said in these sessions: they apparently have religion. They could be Muslim, Christian, etc. I found this completely unbelievable, that maybe it’s just lying? The excorcist often converts the Jinn to Islam!
Third: the Jinn have claimed Iblis is their father. Now as I’ve said above, Iblis could either be another word for Lucifer, or the name of the chief Jinn. One of the Jinn claimed the Illuminati is the greatest creation of their Father (Iblis).

With all this said, I want to know as much about Jinn as anyone is able to share with me.

(On a side note, has anyone else found problems with the forum? Some letters don’t come out properly and have to be retyped… For instanc… the E there was deleted automatically for some reason?)[/quote]

As was stated before,I’m just gonna continue(from the perspective of someone who grew up in a Muslim home)

The Jinn are Spirits.Angels are made from Light,Humans from clay and Jinn from smokeless fire.

Jinn have free will,just like people do,and live in their own world(which some people call Jinnistan),detached from the mortal world.

The Jinn can be good,and evil,have any and every religion etc.

It’s worth noting Muslims say that Muhammed was,to them,a prophet for both Jinn and men,and the Jinn attended his lectures.

Next there is the fact that not all Jinn are evil,only the shayteen.(probably mispelled that,been a while since I wrote that).Accroding to Muslims,black magick is called sihr.

The sihirbaz is a human who wants power the Jinn can grant him,and the shayteen is a jinn who wants worship the human gives him.Thus,through Iblis(the devil) those two can form an alliance,wherein the sihirbaz offends god,to worship the JInn and the Jinn can do the same by helping him.

this,story is ludicrous.However,it can help us pull out the essentials,which is that Iblis’s most powerful trait is that of an intermediary,between Jinn and men,like Papa Legba,or Ganesha…

And that the Jinn are willing to work with mortals.And that they can do stuff.

Also according to what I can read,there’s a different kind of sihirbaz for everything.One that can divine through the stars,one that can hypnotize,one that can summon Jinn,one that can do love spells,one baneful magic etc.

Ibn al-Nadim, in his Kitāb al-Fihrist, describes a book that lists seventy Jinn lead by Fuqtus, named “‘Mrd, Kywan, Shimr‘al, Firuz, Mhaqal, Zaynab, Syduk, Jndrb, Siyyar, Zanbur, al-Da’hs, Kawkab, Hamran, Dahir, Qarun, Shidad, Sa‘sa‘ah, Baktan, Harthamah, Takallum, Furuq, Hurmiz, Hamhamah, ‘Ayzar, Mazahim, Murrah, Fatrah, al-Haym, Arhbh, Khyth‘, Khyfth, Rayah, Zuhal, Zawba‘ah, Mhtukara, Hayshab, Tq‘ytan, Wqas, Qdmnh, Mufarrish, Ayra’il, Nizar, Shftil, Dywyd, Ankara, Khatufah, Tnkyush, Misalqar, Qadim, Ashja‘, Nawdar, Tythamah, ‘Usar, Thu‘ban, Naman, Nmudrky, Tyabur, Sahitun, ‘Udhafir, Mirdas, Shytub, Za‘rush, Sakhr, al-‘Aramram, Khashram, Shadhan, al-Harith, al-Hurth, ‘Udhrah (‘Adhirah)”, and "Faqruf. This list also includes several Jinn appointed over each day of the week, named (in order): Danhash, Shakhba, Marbaya, ‘Abara, Mismar, Namudarki, and Bakhtash

Add to this of course Iblis as an opener of gates so to speak,and one may start to work with the Jinn.

So,I do believe this is an interesting pathworking.I know S Ben Qayin’s book is a lot on destructive Jinn,although I’d be willing to see what else they can do…

Like,I really like mostly anybody and never find myself needing baneful magic.I do not make enemies,and those that clearly pick fights,or want ill of me suffer rather different fates…their life force is pulled from them by my vampirism,while their minds are twisted to my whimsical desires(I happen to be really fond of mind control magics) and anything I can extract from them is worth it.So as someone who doesn’t really like to throw around curses,likes to help and be good to everyone,and claims his vengeance in a form he prefers,I really don’t need destructive Jinn…

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Someone posted here while I was typing so apologies if I say something that have already been said.

You guys will probably hate me for what I’m about to say but I believe that if you want to work with the Jinn, you pretty much will end up working with Qur’an and Islamic egrogore (can’t find a better word right now).
I am not sure what exactly are these Jinn from what I’ve read they are some sort of powerful interdemensional beings and they are mortal (more than anything they are like human). And Qur’an seems to be some sort of book of magical formulas since all the surat and ayat can be rearranged and recited in different orders to achieve certain magickal effect (for example you can make talismans). So ultimately, to my understanding if you want to work with these specific beings, I’m not sure it’s possible without using religious texts. I’ve seen several rituals and all of them involved reading surat and ayat from Qur’an and some of them also involved performing salat prior to calling upon jinn.
Pretty much all other (at least what I’ve seen) “jinn” like those in S. Ben Qyain’s book have nothing to do with the “islamic” jinn and only Iblis seems to be the same.

I know very little about christianity but I don’t think there is something similar. I know nothing about judaism and anything related to it so I can’t be sure if there are jinn in the practices of the hebrew people.

I’m not trying to peddle islam here or anything but I guess it’s like using psalms for magickal purposes, if you are strongly against it then you probably should not do it. You could try and find the names of some of the most well known Jinn and evoke it using E.A.'s incantation while gazing at the sigil you made yourself, but I’m not sure what will happen, at best nothing.

that’s my 2 cents anyway

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I did an evocation of Al-Jund’ from S Ben Qayin’s “Book of Smokeless Fire” putting a death curse on someone who’s time has come to die.

It was an interesting ritual and quite different from other evocations I’ve done of Angels or Demons. I’ll keep you up to date of what transpires…

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An author known as Nineveh Shadrach has published several books on the Djinn. One title “The Book of Deadly Names” is available to read at google books. Others (ebooks & hard copies) are available through Ishtar Publishing.

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As far as the Infernal spirits of the 72 go they all serve all races under 3 religions. The difference is in each of the 3 religions they have a different way of contacting them and they call them different names as well as have different elemental associations. If you use Islamic methods or symbolism, then you will call upon Islamic Associations of demons…likewise if you utilize American versions you will call upon the Western aspect of consciousness of said demon.

Whether you believe its an Egregore or a real living Being, the demons tie into all the races of the 3 religions.

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So as an update to my Feb 16 post, (I should have responded earlier it seems) I did the ritual and 2 nights later Al-Jund came to me and said she tried getting the guy I cursed into a bad car accident, but he narrowly escaped. She shrugged and said she tried and the departed. It would seem their freewill limits any feelings of being responsible for further action.

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Heres a Link to book to get you started!!

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For an excellent introduction to jinn, I recommend the book, Jinn Magick by Baal Kadmon.

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Hello,

I’ve since had my question answered by a spirit directly.

The spirits will refer to themselves as 'demons, jinn, angels" etc. depending on what word you yourself use for them.

Jinn is the word I use to refer to certain types of spirits… And thus, they call themselves ‘Jinn’ by virtue of that.

I haven’t found this to be the case.

Jinn is just another word for ‘spirit’[quote=“fke, post:7, topic:5238”]
And Qur’an seems to be some sort of book of magical formulas since all the surat and ayat can be rearranged and recited in different orders to achieve certain magickal effect
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This is something that actually really interests me…

I want to learn more about these things. I have no aversion to the Islamic religion.

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Writer Baal Kadmon seems to think that the jinn are a bit more pranksterish than …well than other spirits;

however I’d like to give a warning. Jinn, like other spiritual entities need to be communicated with care. They can grant you what you want, but be careful what you ask for. Jinn are notorious pranksters, you might get what you want, but in a way you really would rather not have it…You have been warned. With that said, let us go deeper into the world of the Jinn.

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True, sometimes spirits would call themselves whatever is more convinient for you even if it doesn’t necessarily correspond with their “true” nature.

Speaking of working with Qur’an, I meant it in the sense that most of available rituals originate from Islam one way or another and rely on using quranic verses etc. If you want something more or less old that is.

I’ve sort of given up on researching this topic since there’s very little of information available in English and now I sometimes incorporate quranic verses and the 99 names in planetary magic rituals and stuff like that.

P.S. Since I wrote my initial response, I came to conclusion that there’s some sort of genetic or other kind of deep connection between certain people and certain religious systems. It sounds obvious now when I think of that, but you will have the best results and you’ll be able to do the most powerful magic within the system your are most connected with (and using the language of the system). For me using Hebrew/Arabic and Judaic/Islamic texts seems to work the best while working within say Hindu system seems to produce just okay results.

Now, I understand that we are all about transcending any religion and any diety and stuff, and I’m all for it, but I think it’s stupid to turn down a really powerful tool just because sometimes, maybe you could potentially become a god (which, let’s face it, not many people even came close to). This last part is not directed to you personally obviously.

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Jinn are a different class of spirits. They are not demons

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I’ve enjoyed working with the jinn briefly in the past. People tend to figure out how to block them though.

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This is true. They do have religions; they live in tribes. Jinns that are “Pagans”/Disbelivers, they are the most dangerous Jinns.
They can have relationships with humans, but once human marries a Jinn, human dies/becomes apart of the realm of Jinns.

Iblis is Satan.

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Beware, Jinns don’t care much about fulfilling tasks as much as Demons do.
Though if you start “bothering” her about the task, she’ll either graze you; damage your vital organs or simply take your soul.
They’re mortal with the ability to take souls of other beings.

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