What are Jinn? Is this simply an Arabic word for spiri? Or a different class

I don’t know much about them, but I know some people believe they’re fire elementals.
Hence, ‘of smoke’, ‘path of smoke’

This may be the reason why some myths place King Paimon as a King Of Djinn, and some other opinions an elemental spirit.

According to VK, and others, Azazel and King Paimon are the same. However, they do not exist in a simultaneous identity (ie, if you evoke Azazel, it’s not KP).

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Djinn are traditionally regarded as wind and fire spirits.

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Coming from an Arabic, Middle Eastern, country, I can write you down pages and pages about Jinn, and stories that many told over generations.
Yes, they have religions and live in tribes. They also worship God (at least some of them does).
They were made invisible to us as we cannot see them with our own eyes years ago. Before that they used to live in a parallel world to ours, without even a veil, as they promised not to interfere with Humans. That until Jinniyat (or daughters of Jinn) started to fall in love with Human males. Which they took as wives and ended up cursed that the veil was raised.

My grandmother once told me about a Priest that was abducted by the Jinn, and was asked to marry them in the forest of the village. He asked to take his ceremonial clothes, which he burnt with a cigarette in order to make sure he’s not dreaming.
He wakes up the next day and opens the closet. Which he found his clothes burnt at the same place he did. (excuse my English, I’m translating the story from Arabic - my mother tongue)

Several similar stories about abductions or Jinn taking humans in the night are always told by old-town folks. They also say if you made a pact correctly, they will grant you any wish you want. They can choose to work with you and call upon you even before you were born.
They act like you shadow, and can either be loving or unleash hell on you.

Any Sheikh or leader in a Muslim community or organization tend to keep a Jinn that helps him in his deeds and bindings, exorcisms, rituals…etc.
They also use them to either cause or break a curse, remove an evil eye effect, help a girl get married or cause her to be unlucky in Love.
There most effect as I’ve noticed was in the matters of Love, Luck in Love and marriage, and Money. They cannot help in healing nor serve properly in such contexts.
They’re mostly Arab Spirits Who Can Eat, Sleep, Have Sex, and communicate.
They are mortal and can reciprocate.

According to El-Zein, pagan Arabs (big believers in the occult) worshipped jinn long before Islam was introduced in the seventh century, believing that the spirits were masters of certain crafts and elements of nature who had the power to turn plots of land fertile. Jinn are believed to both interact with humans in our reality and lead their own lives in a separate realm. “As spiritual entities, the jinn are considered dual dimensional, with the ability to live and operate in both manifest and invisible domains,” El-Zein writes.

Hope this can help somehow.

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The father of all Jinn created from the fires of samum, sometimes identified with Azazel.

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In Islam, there are no ghosts/poltergeists, there are Jinns (they are mostly neutral, quick to fall in love with a human and thus posses her/him, they can be Christian/Catholic/Muslim). They’re born same as us. And they’re Mortal.
Bad Jinns are called Shaitan. They deny existence of God and hate humans.
They live in tribes and are territorial, primitive humanoid beings.
To a human they appear in form of a snake and in form of a dog. But the only difference you’ll notice is that in whichever form they appear, they’ll have glowing red eyes.

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I forgot to mention that Jinns are beings of Smokeless Fire.

I work with the jinn Lalla Malika

Essentially demons are just jinn under a different guise basically. I mean many of the goetics are said to be djinn, so if one is it’ll make sense to assume that they all are.

They are jinns whom specialise in different areas of magic (money, success, love, curses, health). When we summon demons we are summoning a jinn high in their position who has worked with humans for many years and know how to communicate with us and hold posture.

Parasites and shadow people are nothing more than lesser jinn, lower down on the spectrum, who don’t know how to conduct themselves and have no actual desire to help us other than to cause us pain and misery.

All makes sense.

Hindu gods, deities, fairies, their all jinn. This is my opinion tho so don’t judge me for it.

A lot of people think you have to do an extravagant ritual to summon specifically jinn not realising that even when you do a simple candle spell or whether you summon belial or any other entity, essentially your using the aid of the jinn.

Your opinion is stained with Islamic belief and has no basis when it comes to actual practice.

In Islamic glasses this belief obviously works, as anything not an angel can be identified as jinn, which jinn means ‘veiled’. Bacteria were also jinn until microscopes were made, in that case. Which fits, considering many, if not all of sicknesses were considered caused by jinn.

Goetia are considered to be jinn? Aside from Asmoday, and maybe Paimon, who?

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You can say my belief is tainted with Islam but if you actually watch these exorcisms take place like the original poster stated, you’ll see these claims come from the jinns themselves. Like I said don’t judge me for it.

Dantalion… belial (rules over jinnistan)

There’s more.

I’m not saying it’s an easy pill to swallow. But when I evoke demons I evoke them knowing I’m calling a powerful jinn, not as someone who sees them as demons.

Also this isn’t an Islamic belief. Djinn go back farther than Islam is concerned.

Another post right in this thread, quoting an author, says Jinn are the most trickster of all spirits. Whose word should we go with?

I have been on those excorsisms myself. I do not need to watch a video for that.

So you simply cannot be debated and allowed to run anywhere ? I can not state my own opinion ?

@Mike_Bee What do you think ?

This is the reason why I am calling you out on this nonsense. My friend can command djinn, having been trained in Islamic arts over a decade. Even he says demons, gods, etc, aren’t all jinn.

And how does that matter so ? Your belief is still stained.

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…keep in mind, the poster to which you responded when you revived this two year old thread was banned, so they won’t be able to respond to your post, just in case you were looking for them to respond or debate your answer.

You can click on a member’s profile pic and see when they were last active and if they are an active member or a suspended or banned member.

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Mod note: please refrain form telling other members they cannot post.

The poster was responding to the content of your post, which is fully in line with the rules
Your comment here is responding to the tone not the content, which the rules specifically ask you not to do.

You are in breach of rules @Jnomadik , please don’t play thought police here. No one made you the king of all things djinn.

If you can’t tolerate your posts being commended on and possibly disagreed with, you may like to reconsider posting certain things so that doesn’t happen, otherwise it’s perfectly allowed for people to have different opinions and say so (in a civil and reasonable way that is not dogmatic or preaching). :+1:

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I wondered at this, and I have part of the answer why people say this, but I think it’s wrong, tbh.

So, Solomon, the dude who summoned “djinn” to build a palace, apparently asked one of the spirits he trusted to give him the names of spirits that couldn’t be trusted. The Deadly Names in are the result. Those are the “scary” ones. The 72 are from the Lesser Key of Solomon: Ars Goetia and I think are supposed to be the helpful ones.

So, the word “Goetia” means “evocaton of demons or evil spirits”. As we know, Christians blanket label literally everything a “demon” regardless of what it actually is, including the Djinn, so that word is useless and means here both “djinn or evil spirit”, when neither are automatically “evil”. I’m not finding info on which is which, nor what the difference was supposed to be. I don’t see any reason to assume that just because Solomon’s temple builders were said to be “djinn” or “demons” that any of them are actually either or that all of them are the same.

I think, some are angels, (“fallen” angels are also called demons), some are gods (also called demons when they’re not the rogue angel/alien yhwh)… some are djinn, and I wouldn’t be shocked if others are egregores.

I do think that the djnnn and the Fae are the same thing. This info was recently verified dor me via a forum member here who shared the work of This would explain why they can be tricksters, because there are Seelie Fae (friendly to humans) and Unseelie Fae that you stay away from. #notalljinn :smiley:

I also find the terms djinn, fae, and deity and angels are terms that are useful (I’m coming around to angels being a race on their own). Spirt is the generic term for an disincarnate energy being.

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This one is an interesting one, I thought they were definitely seperate but the way they are described is so, so close in nature.

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