Didn’t I see you on the news recently?

Elliot, is that you?

I thought the same :smiley: , but i think this is a good question anyways.

Hahaha I was just about to say…

OP, bro it is not like that at all. Men and women are far to complex to make broad sweeping generalizations about. Some women do want a less macho guy, just like some dudes dig a more macho chick.

The woman who worships the guy that treats her like shit is in the same boat as the guy who is under the impression that he can’t get a date due to not being an alpha male. They both need internal work, not an outside intelligence. They need to learn to love themselves first.

But because you asked, look up Andrieh Vitimus’ Ritual of Haniel. Haniel is the Archangel of Venus and the ritual is all about getting you to love yourself and THEN getting the girl/guy of your dreams.

Stay frosty,

Angels no clue, demons Sitri heard just for whores, other than that I’ve only used Asmoday. Just ignore them in the bar act like your the shit and don’t give a fuck what they think and u won’t need those spirits,

You’re right. It’s the feminist’s fault that guys with macho bullshit mommy issues get all da bitches. It’s always been a main priority for us that “alpha” men always have someone to suck their dicks, pretty sure that’s in the Feminist manifesto somewhere.

Let me clue you in to something, OP. Elliot Rodger’s was his own worst enemy. He was attractive, rich, and so fucking insecure, self-hating, and miserable that he gave off serious creep vibes. If you had shown me his picture and asked me if I’d sleep with him, I’d give you a total “hell yes!” And then he went and opened his mouth. I don’t know a thing about you, but if you’re anything like that dude, I can see why you’d have problems.

Don’t you dare blame women and successful men for your failure in attracting a partner. If you manage to call up a spirit and tell them what you told us, they would smack you so hard we would all feel it, demon or not. Magick is all about taking control of your own life, and that involves serious internal work. If you think they aren’t going to challenge you, well, you’re in for a rude awakening.

Listen to Orismen. Haniel is fantastic for this kind of work, speaking from experience. So is Buer, a demon, yes, but very wise and non-judgemental. Learn how to accept yourself, acknowledge what you have to offer a woman, and for god’s sakes start thinking of them as people, not as something to be tricked and owned. Why would anyone want to go out with you when you can’t even afford them the barest considerations?

Then hit the gym, work on smiling at people, and maybe get a therapist to help you change your outlook in life. You said you are new to magick, so try to come to grips with this idea: You will live out how you perceive things to be. Once you understand this, your magick will improve, and so will the quality of your life.

Do you know what women REALLY want in a man? Confidence. Confidence in who they are, and what they have to offer. They DON"T like men who are whiny, and insecure, and all ‘poor me, I can’t get a girl.’ There are plenty of examples of homely men with gorgeous women (have you seen Dan Ackroyd’s wife?) and its because they are secure in themselves, and don’t feel threatened simply because their girl talks to another guy.

Listen to blacklamb and Orismen, and work on your own issues, before resorting to magick. Along with Orismen’s recommendation of Andrieh Vitimus’ Rite of Haniel, I also recommend you read Jason Miller’s Sorcerer’s Secrets, specifically the Invocation of the Seducer. It will show you how to combine mundane and magical efforts for best result.

This is a little something called ‘GAME’ and it involves charisma, confidence, style and not trying too hard. To be honest, if you genuinely want a girl, you don’t need spirits or magick - you just need to do your research and reinvent yourself! Start conversing with girls, instead of holding a bitter grudge over the ones that haven’t conversed back. Listen, there are always going to be bitches who think their shit doesn’t stink… you don’t want that kind of girl anyway. So you get rejected by a few girls, who gives a fuck - there are plenty of them out there.

On the other hand, if you just want to fuck, there are some demons who can help you with that. If you want true love, then you’ll have to try harder than just calling upon a spirit.

Study these guys who have attractive women. Figure out what they are doing, how they are acting. Body language is everything.

Good luck.

If you insist on using magic instead of listening to this overwhelomngly unanimous tip, I suggest finding back doors. love spells will usually break your own heart. Geussing buy your post, if I where you I would do spells on yourself that helps boost your confidance, if that isn’t enough cast one to help your thought prosses regarding humer and one liners ect. basically what is it that the guys you want to be like have that you don’t. and what in you do you want to keep or expand. there is a million ways to skin a cat… I wish more sorcerers yoused a little ingenuity in there castings. magic isn’t just a thing to do its a lifestyle and an ART.

No spirit can help you figure out a woman. There are some secrets that shall forever remain beyond reach…

Best advice I ever got (from a woman) about women.

She said, “We change”.

My advice. Find one that is self aware, knows what she want’s, and is willing to tell you honestly.

The next step is to become what they want. If you don’t want to live as a chameleon then that means finding a woman who values the qualities you express and the values you stand for.

As for spirits and techniques.

  1. Drop your pre-conceptions. Some of the ideas you state are limiting. What does believing those things protect you from?

  2. Work on being your best self and make having relationships part of that. Read through the grimoires. Many of the classics are online.

You sound like me, until I found myself ignored enough by women and then my friends after piling on excuse after excuse as to why I cannot get laid without paying, or find a serious girlfriend.

  1. Listen to the folks who gave you advice here.

  2. Know what you want in life, and brutally evaluate yourself from the outside looking in.

  3. Realize that the GLBT agenda is not an issue for you. Leave them alone and out of it.

  4. You need to find a way, like myself as well, to find self-confidence and self-esteem, feelings of worth not dependant on anything or anyone.

  5. You need to learn how to love, yourself first, others second.

  6. You can be selfish a bit on taking this on, in terms of give you you time, not to sound like Dr Phil or anything…

  7. Work on the external image.

I’m in your shoes and had as many if not more excuses. Let me tell you, a micro-dick wont help you get attaction for getting laid, let me tell you.

So, find one thing you like about yourself and transform it. I’m on the same journey, so take my (and others) advice and do it.

you want a spirit guide to do inner game and that is actually very wise. i do have to make it clear that you will have to do a whole lot more than that to get what you want. inner game is only one of five different areas you will have to cover to manifest practical magick. without covering the other four, your magick won’t catch.

again this is a great statement of intent. i recommend you read vodou love magick by kenaz filan. it is the single best magickal book i have come across regarding love matters. it is also a grimoire that you can use as a beginner to contact the lwa, which normally is very complicated and fraught with danger. kenaz gives you many different rituals for contacting the lwa to sort out your love life and they work remarkably well. he also gives rituals that are COMPLETELY different than anything you would expect. when i first read the book, instead of conjuring to bind some big breasted bimbo to be my love slave, i ended up attending a couple of alcoholics anonymous meetings in order to deal with my own codependency issues, which is completely out of the way because i don’t drink AT ALL. i also ended up donating money to a women’s shelter while i bought libation for erzulie dantor because it was her wish that i do so. mama d was with me the whole time, i felt her very strongly. i had no idea that that issue would come to the surface but as you know, in pickup you will have many sticking points related to your own blind spots. that problem hasn’t been quite dealt with but i am aware of the problem which is half the battle. if you don’t know what a problem is, how can you solve it? knowing is half the battle. there are many other not-much-spoken-about issues around love that are never mentioned by the pickup artists of the world but kenaz goes over many of the most important ones. i strongly suggest you read that book from cover to cover. the upside of the book is that it is written with both men and women in mind, and it covers love magick of every sexuality so it isn’t limited in any way. so there is none of the typical misogyny or misandry you often find in guides such as the game or the rules and none of the sometimes underhanded tactics you find in nlp-based seduction. having said that, kenaz doesn’t shy away from the unwiccan mentality of doing love bindings. vodun IS an ATR, after all so the typical white lighter morality ends up in the trashcan rather quickly. you just have to be honest enough with yourself to do the INNER work before you go trying to force another human being to copulate with you, as the book makes very clear.

now, after reading some of the other things you posted i have to tell you upfront that kenaz is lgbtq. one thing you are going to have to come to terms with is that lgbtq are the very cutting edge of sex and love magick - lgbtq are defined by love, it is the prominent feature of their lives - so you are going to have to get it through your head that if you are serious about doing any kind of love work, at some point or another you WILL learn what you want from someone in the lgbtq community. i’m not preaching at you here, i’m just giving you the facts of the matter. do yourself a favor and check your homophobia at the door so as not to offend your best future instructors. whether you realize it or not, homophobia is as sure a sign of sexual insecurity as sexual jealousy ever was. sexual insecurity is always a warning sign for women to avoid you, so be aware of that and get that handled before you do anything else.

if you want to date desirable women, you have to be desirable to them too. it’s called ATTRACTION, not coercion. in order to date better you have to be attracted AND attractive. that idea is fundamental to you getting what you want.

in love and sex magick, attraction and charisma are fundamental. there is also a lot of generosity of spirit and a feeling of cooperation in all good love magick. finally, there is skill. if you begin by being unattractive to women and end off by resenting them for your own unattractive features, and finally you have no skill in attracting women the right way, well…good luck with that.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF SPIRITS THAT THINK JUST LIKE PICKUP ARTISTS. don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. however, you will want to form a relationship with them. it’s not a one-shot deal so be prepared for the long haul in this kind of work. love and sex magick are not overnight deals by any means.

you need to change your beliefs and mindset. sexual insecurity is a huge turnoff to women and so is sexual jealousy. resentment toward women is never going to get you anywhere with them. and you are blameshifting which is a huge turnoff. you better develop healthier mindsets towards women and check your entitlement at the door.

Personally I’m not into the “figuring women out” school of thought.Y ou need to figure yourself out bro.some Gems > Stop giving a fuck , love yourself and your own company , get a way to unlearn the b.s society,church,family,school etc has fed you (hypnosis and brainwave entrainment -I recommend quantum mind power- join a pua site to learn basic rules. Read everything by David x and alan roger currie and badboy. BE THE MAN .I MEAN REACH DOWN SCRATCH THOSE NUTS AND SAY “DAMN ,FEELS GOOD TO BE A MAN” :wink:

If feminism was the problem, Victorian England - in which women didn’t have property rights, couldn’t wvote, and anything they owned by inheritance became their husband’s inalienable property at marriage - would have been a pussy-fest.

It wasn’t.

The most aggressive modern-day patriarchies like Taliban-led Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc., are the LEAST likely places you’ll get some chick happy to suck your cock in a cinema. :wink:

Unless she wants her head cut off, or her fucking body burned alive by acid. [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20202686]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20202686[/url]

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Asmoday lust oil. Nice cloths. Confidence. Will it get you laid? Probably. Will it bring you a relationship… probably not.

lol that was an extreme example Lady Eva. I have seen the treatment of girls in thos countries first hand… it is exaggerated, but it does escalate to that at times. I got a woman stoned for showing me her face on axcident :frowning: once (war vet) I agree with equality and im sure even the auther of this topic does too. he like most guys is most likely talking about those bull dike lesbo feminists. you know the ones that have a bigger dick then a black pornstar. btw im not gay bashing either. just grew up in a biker gang family im actually being well reserved.

No, it was a REAL example that has affected tens of thousands of women back then and many more now.

But it seems Stalin, of all people, was right about one thing:

“The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.”

Millions of men and women denied a right to even examine their sexuality under a modern-day tyrant is beyond our imagining.

I get it. :wink:

I’m just making the point that this isn’t about “feminism” as in, the drive for equal pay etc., it’s about oppressive social pressures, expectations, and a shitload more of stuff.

Magick works but you have to do your part.

This old joke is relevant (swap “God” for “work done by the spirits”).

A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.

Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.”

The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.”

So the rowboat went on.

Then a motorboat came by. "The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.”

To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.”

So the motorboat went on.

Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.”

To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.”

So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.

Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!”

To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat, a motorboat and even a fucking helicopter, what more did you expect?!”

Moral of the story - he (or she) who sits on arse waiting for magick to change everything ends up with nothing.