To Have Sex or Not to Have Sex

Love, Sex Magick & Relationships
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I am a person who had been infatuated with the idea of sex for a very long time but is still a virgin. However, I am thinking that it might be time for me to finally materialize it instead of waiting and not taking action.

One issue that I have is that I still am addicted to masturbation but not to the levels of the thread which I created 4 years ago. I am a bit better now although addicted to masturbation to a certain degree. I have tried plenty of methods. No-Fap, Brahmacharya, therapy, counselling etc but not much of success. The longest Iā€™ve been on no fap is 20 days max. Iā€™ve finally given up and I think it is just better off to masturbate and have that post-nut clarity.

So I am thinking of upgrading from masturbating to having sex. A few months ago I worked with Sargatanas to make women more attracted to me. It did work before the effects wore off as I stopped working with him. And then I worked with him again and asked him to make a girl to fall in love and have sex with me. I gave it sometime and got to know her a bit before asking her out. She rejected me. Now, I am not affected by this rejection as I do no have feelings for this girl; just like more of a test.

I am seriously thinking of going down this road of hedonism which includes sex as I know it must be immensely pleasurable more so than using your hand. :slight_smile:

My only concern is that I do not want to contract diseases such as gonorrhoea, AIDS etc
I also do not want to be caught by anyone such as friends or even the religious police
And I do not want the girl to falsely accuse me of rape
And I am afraid of anything backfiring if I do happen to have sex

But I want to have sexā€¦ see the problem here? Like a massive conflict/contradictionā€¦

I want sex but I am afraid of the consequences

Most probably I will work with Sargatanas this time more intensely than ever and use some incantations to have the forbidden fruitā€¦ and in time I believe I will have itā€¦ just a matter of when

I know this might all sound insanely stupid to many of you but it is a big deal to me

Any advice is greatly appreciatedā€¦

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Well. When I was stupider, I used to chase sex thinking the right dude would be able to make me orgasm.

I was technically right, but I figured out long before the right guy that I didnā€™t actually have any pleasure from sex without meaning, like it made me feel dirty and used and left me with guilt.

Now I can look back and see that most of how I felt, was how I was taught to feel about the subject, an attempt to keep me from making mistakes I would regret- but I did it anyways of course.

But I still did it for the wrong reasons and I still wouldnā€™t feel good about myself today, knowing that is not how I would have to feel, because it wouldnā€™t be right for me anyways.

In my little world sex is supposed to be between people who love each other and care about each other and itā€™s a very spiritually fulfilling experience too, but thatā€™s almost entirely because of all the out of bed factors, I wouldnā€™t feel the same about sex if I didnā€™t feel that way about the person I am having it with.

Experience has proven that how I feel about sex is directly related to relationship or lack there of between me and the other person.

So I wouldnā€™t encourage you either way in this subject, I think itā€™s something that you need to know yourself on.

Do you need to experience this before you are where you want to be, to feel good about yourself?

Why do you think it would make you feel good about yourself to have casual sex? Itā€™s not really that special, most of us could go the bar on a Saturday night and pick up someone, for free, that just wanted to get laid, if thatā€™s all we truly wanted.

But itā€™s not usually, because thatā€™s what happens when people are being wreck less, not when they are thinking, so there must be something else to it for most people, something more than getting laid.

Is it to have recognition from others that you bagged a hot one, or from your parents that youā€™re not gay, or just to prove to yourself you can?

Whatever the driving motivator is, Iā€™d take a look at that and see if it actually aligns with me and what I want in life, because there are really high odds when it comes to the subject of sex, that we are doing or thinking like others and not like ourselves.

Thereā€™s just so many expectations and labels and possibilities thatā€™s itā€™s difficult to even know how you feel or what you want, so Iā€™d start there because itā€™s easier than asking for an std test, or an accidental pregnancy with someone you donā€™t really want to have in your life with the next 20 years. Ya know?

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Yes I do think I want it so that I feel good about myselfā€¦ that I managed to conquer something :laughing:

I tried to be in a relationship before, it didnā€™t work out well. After that, I closed my heart to anybody out there and I would rather just fuck rather than being emotionally involved. If I develop feelings for someone and they donā€™t reciprocate, I think it would really really hurt me. So Iā€™d be better hooking up casually rather than be in loving relationships. Plus, Iā€™ve been redpilled after the roller coaster ride of my ex. So I cannot trust a girl to let her to come into my life knowing that she can leave meā€¦

Yes to the ā€˜I bagged a hot one.ā€™ I want to show my friends, peers and ex that I managed to bag a hot one.

Stdā€™s might be a problem. Pregnancy issue can be solved with abortion. I have no intention of being a dad or a husband. It has been my life goal to not get married/tied down to someone else because sometimes I do believe I am too important to share my life with another person :sweat_smile:

Might be an ego problemā€¦ i know

Plus I imagine the dopamine hit during sex must be monumental

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Eh not really any more so than other nowadays, I keep seeing a commercial for aids treatments that supposedly puts it into full remission.

Iā€™m not saying Iā€™d want to try it for fun, but if thatā€™s your only real objection at the end of the day, other than a conscious saying hey this might not be right, I donā€™t think itā€™s a problem.

Iā€™m sure you are educated on safe sex or can be to minimize the odds of something going wrong mundanely.

You could probably work something into your intentions that only if youā€™ll come out unharmed or some bullshit like I do with the motorcycleā€¦ :rofl:

Mostly if the mind isnā€™t a problem and you know why you want it- be safe, take precautions and I swear some people with causal encounters do get themselves tested- like at least in books and movies, so there may be some way to ensure your pretty much safe, but I donā€™t know.

It would be awkward table talk at a bar, but it wouldnā€™t be if it was a mutual agreement hey this is sex only.

So Iā€™d encourage you to be honest with what you want rather than using love spells. You may end up with a stalker if you use love spells.

Damon brand has a book on sex magic, and he has a talisman or some shit for making you sexy for more casual encounters, but he recommends being honest about it, not leading people on and not abusive with it and the like.

Like just be real, if a guy says he doesnā€™t want to get in my pants, he just wants to be a friend or he wants a family or whatever it is just to get me to believe him, I usually pick up on that as a woman and write him off.

Canā€™t be trusted, advertising one thing, chasing another.

I think we as woman have been taught to be extra cautious when it comes to dishonesty, for one most of us donā€™t want raped or murdered, but for two weā€™ve learned a lie out of the gate is a good indication of where things are headed, so a lot of us will write you off even as a bed partner over a white lie, because if we canā€™t trust you with that, how can we trust you to be doing what you say you are? Keeping our secret if itā€™s a secret or whatever.

Like you might say this is only friends with benefits but Iā€™m clean and not sleeping around.

The girl who accepts that is still going to be pissed when she finds out you had five partners- not because sheā€™s jealous, but because you didnā€™t inform her of the full risk she was taking. Not as advertised basically.

So Iā€™d encourage you to be open where appropriate about your intentions, otherwise you could be trying to fit someone into your lust box who will never accept that for themselves and so to be successful would be a little more difficult.

If youā€™re playing basketball you would Aim to hit the goal with a basketball and not a football basically.

Like idk, maybe Iā€™m wrong and every girl says she wants a relationship, when many donā€™t. I could be imagining that the women who just want sex probably get tired of fielding off guys who fall in love with them and want more than they do.

But I do think if youā€™re saying you want a relationship and doing love spells youā€™re putting out energy different than the actual intent, so I think itā€™s going to skew results.

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I take it you live in a very Muslim country?

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Thatā€™s the primary reason why I donā€™t want to have sex. Is it worthy at the risk?
I encourage men to do daily masturbation because their sexual urges will naturally be under control. In fact often you donā€™t even need to control it because you wonā€™t feel it so much that it effects you.
All this NoFap making you stronger is horseshit made by religious lunatics who wants to gaslight you to believe they are superior to you because they are ā€œabove humanā€. What they really are is a group of losers who also believe reading the bible daily makes you stronger as a manā€¦
Trying to deny your carnality does not make you superior. In fact it makes you weaker because you waste energy to reject your humanity instead of working pragmatic with it to advance the Self.

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So I think you should pursue your desires to have sex. When @anon97554939 says stuff like this:

Sheā€™s right imo, but personally I think she misses one thing here, which is that she speaks somewhat from a place of privilege. Sex for men is not viewed quite the same as sex for women. Women, even the most unattractive, always have access to some level of sex, so in a way women operate with an abundance mentality when it comes to this naturally. Its easy for women (or experienced men) to say that sex isnā€™t special. But to a lonely virgin who struggles to attract women, they wont see it that way. Men often need to experience it themselves to come to that realization.

I think you should do it MadManiac because it will help you with your masturbation problem. Its hard to stop fapping when you havenā€™t got anything to replace it with.

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Actually, you are very correct to my position not being equal, as one of my biggest challenges has been finding people who didnā€™t think I wanted to fuck every time I made a perverted joke, or laughed at one.

I also forget how awkward it can be to be a virgin, to feel like everyoneā€™s got something you donā€™t.

I didnā€™t have this with virginity, but did have it with boyfriends and friends in general. Like I was probably the only girl in my high school that went all four years with only dates to the prom and no other dates at all, ya know?

I also missed the cultural reference, making it likely that my assumption a woman would prefer to know upfront perhaps interesting and I probably shoulda just hushed!

I just figured well, if you can answer why you want this and feel this way then I agree you should chase it, but not under the guise of love. But that brings us back to the culture thing and so I bow out and hopefully you boys will get him taken care of :rofl:

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I am definitely not trying to get AIDS lol. It would be another ton of work to get rid of it although I know its possible. I know about condoms and I would use them for safety.

I already have a few stalkers and I am not attracted to any of them to even have sex with them. They are 4ā€™s and 5ā€™s. Yes, I know I can be a little demanding :wink:

I am thinking of something more familiar like to work with Sargatanas or Prince Sitri once again. And maybe also create a Sex Servitor which can generate sex for me by using the energy I expel from masturbation. I think this might be a great idea.

For me, personally, last year was the year I became close with women. Before that, I was a massive introvert. No communication skills. Absolute zero game. Last year, before I got my heart broken by my ex, I was a nice guy. I quickly came to a realization that women do not like nice guys, well majority of them.

I quickly switched up my persona to a more mysterious playboy kinda shit after watching redpill content and suddenly a lot were interested in me. I started lying a lot and even when they caught me lying, they were kind of amused by it. I can now sense which girl likes me and which girl doesnā€™t. And I flirt a lot with these girls and I am able to read their body language.

Maybe you are the exception. But most women love drama and I give them the drama they deserve :joy:

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yes I am in a Muslim country but I am not a muslim

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I agree with your statement to a certain extent

Especially this statementā€¦ maybe thatā€™s why I am considering of an upgrade to the Almight Superior Sex. I want to experience the freaky to show my dominance in bed

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I agree with you 100% on this Verdo. It is insanely easy for a woman to get laid. Unfortunately, as an average man, you would struggle to even get a chick to like you back. Itā€™s a massive fucking struggle. I would rate myself around a 6. My height is around 6ā€™1 which is quite tall for males in my country. My weight is around 80kg slightly built. I have some game. Managed to pull some chicks here and there. Only had one ex. No sex yet. But for women, as long as you are not extremely ugly, you are going to get hit on. And most women that I meet have massive inflated egos. Most of the girls in my college for instance takes a selfie every 10 minutes, to check thier make-up. A lot of them are narcissistic as well. I am not hating on women, itā€™s just merely my observation.

Since you are encouraging me, Verdo, I am going to do it. I will think of a plan on how to pull this off, either working with Sargatanas, creating a sex servitor or using a sex incantation on this forum. Just hope sex doesnā€™t become my new addiction :joy: ā€¦ especially if I am only going to get it once in a blue moon.

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Thatā€™s exactly how I feel sometimes. Like I am missing out on the party when others are fucking the flesh and I am here fucking the air.

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Itā€™s more abour denying yourself instant gratification and learning self control.

I did no-fap and honestly it is very beneficial. Especially for the testosterone levels. There are studies that show your testosterone increases by 70% when you consistently not masturbate, while consistent maturation only increases testosterone by 10%.

Also the urge of wanting sex will vanish after a couple months. I never reached that because I have poor self control, but guys that I interact with who have reached 2 months can attest to that.

You also last longer in bed and orgasm feels so much better, plus your penis is harder. You also simultaneously do a dopamine detox, which feels awesome and you feel your emotions way stronger than before.

So it can be very good, when you do it properly and for longer periods of time.

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Iā€™m a virgin myself and I have decided to stay that way and instead focus on the Path.

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Itā€™s pseudo-scientific nonsense. Attractive men are attractive because they have options, not because they do NoFap. Because they have options with women they have no reason to fap as they get laid often and therefore get their general semen release.

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Honestly, Iā€™ve consumed so much of NoFap content that I am just upset and feel ashamed of myself that I couldnā€™t stop masturbating. I feel guilty. Iā€™ve read countless books, spent so much time watching the YouTube videos of why you should stop masturbating. You will get super powers yada yada yada. Iā€™ve read Brahmacharya by Swami Sivananda once every 4 years. And I still couldnā€™t do it. I have a very high libido in which I can masturbate up to 5 times per day and more if someone wants me to. Of course, Iā€™d do less if I am not on holidays. I know even Mantak Chia had said you are depleting your energy or Ching if you ejaculate too often. But what else can i doā€¦ impossible really

Sometimes when I accept that masturbation is normal, and do it, I feel much happier and not guilty. Maybe this is the mindset that I should adopt instead. But I would still like to transfer it to a more enjoyable activity like sex. Double up the pleasure. Increase the dopamine spike in the brain.

I think it is best I leave the bad notion surrounding masturbation although I can sense weakness in my body and back after doing it.

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That is great. I respect that.

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I agree

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This is why I despise NoFap advocates because they literally just gaslight menā€¦ They speak from a RHP perspective and they have always revealed it in the sense that they talk about how a man becomes strong by reading the holy texts. They appear strong but they are actual weak because take their religion away from them and you will see them fall apart.

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